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Benjamin Felix

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The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

There are some pretty interesting stories about ETFs that have gotten exposure to SpaceX.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

There are some like Fidelity.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

There are a couple of fund companies, active managers who legitimately participate in fundraising and were able to invest in some of these companies early, which is pretty cool.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

It'll be interesting to see how that affects the returns of those funds, because obviously this isn't their only holding.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

We'll keep an eye on that.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

But there are some ETFs that tried to get exposure through special purpose vehicles later on.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So there's one ETF that attracted quite a bit of reporting and attention.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

The ER shares private public crossover ETF.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So it bought into SpaceX through an SPV in December, 2024.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Now SPVs are not liquid, not very liquid at least.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So this ETF, it's XOVR, I think is the ticker.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

It's had to deal with some pretty unique practical issues because it's a liquid vehicle.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

It's an ETF holding a large stake in an illiquid asset.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So Jeff Tak from Morningstar has done a bunch of interesting writing on this.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

What's even more interesting though, at least to me, is that despite SpaceX reportedly rising in value substantially since this ETF invested in it in December, 2024, the fund has actually lost money in absolute terms and even more so relative to the market since it made that investment.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

There's a whole bunch of reasons for this, and Jeff Tack goes through a bunch of the reasons in an article.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

A lot of it is just that the other securities, the public securities that are in the ETF have performed quite poorly.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Jeff Tack, he's the managing director for Morningstar Research Services, if people don't know who he is.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

he wisely notes in one of his posts on this that when it comes to investing, the more you covet something, the more you should probably question your desire to own it in the first place.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

I think a lot of investors are so eager to get a piece of SpaceX and some of these other companies.