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Benjamin Felix

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The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Right.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

We'll take your low float securities, but we're going to weight them more conservatively than we would weight a typical security.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

But they did change the rules and they did change them in a way that would allow companies like SpaceX to be included in the index, which would not have previously been possible.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

They also sped up the inclusion.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

They shortened the timeline for how quickly a company, an eligible company can be included in the index.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

I mentioned earlier that the sort of cynical view here is that NASDAQ is changing the NASDAQ 100 index rules to win SpaceX over in an effort to get their listing.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

There was a bunch of articles on that speculating this, and it's plausible, fine.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

That's because including a stock like SpaceX in the index would force significant index fund buying, which likely ends up being good for SpaceX, good for SpaceX's early investors, good for NASDAQ if they get the listing.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

but potentially comes at the expense of NASDAQ 100 index fund investors if they end up buying a high priced stock that ends up having poor returns afterwards.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

It's a conflict of interest that probably should be considered.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

I agree.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

It's a conflict, yeah.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Now, we've already talked about this at some length, but the crisp US total market index, for example, tracked by VTI does, as of now, continue to have a low float cutoff of 10% for fast track entry.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

If you're invested in VTI, this is a non-issue at the current moment in time.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So between inclusion criteria and index weighting methodologies, there's quite a bit of uncertainty about how these mega IPOs will initially show up in indices.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Over time, what tends to happen is the free flow tends to increase and whatever, whatever.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

And the seasoning happens.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So in three years, all of these companies probably are included in the index.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

But the big concern about buying high-priced IPOs in the secondary market and then having them tank, it's not clear how problematic that's going to be for a lot of index funds.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

over a longer period of time, as I just mentioned, these listings will change the public market.