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Benjamin Felix

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The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So part of that is just them acquiring XAI and their valuation increasing on that basis.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

But I think it's probably like a two X even over that combined valuation anyway.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So this blog post from MSCI asks, what would happen to the index, to this MSCI All Country World IMI Index, IMI, Investable Market Index, so it's pretty much all stocks that exist.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

What would happen to the index if the 10 largest companies from the MSCI All Country Venture Backed Private Company Index went public?

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

they comment that since the free float at the time of listing is unknown, as of now, we'll know when they list, they go through a few different scenarios.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

At a 5% float, which again is what SpaceX is expected to go public with, only four of the 10 large private companies that they're looking at would actually achieve index inclusion based on MSCI's inclusion rules.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So again, we come back to that case where not all of these companies would be index eligible.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

MSCI has different criteria than CRISP or S&P, but based on their rules, four of the 10 would be eligible at a 5% float.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

At a 10% float, seven of the 10 companies would achieve index inclusion, but they'd be pretty small weights in the index.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

And there's a chart that we can hopefully include in the video that shows the ranking of these companies in the market by size.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

But what's interesting is that while the overall market weights in percentage terms would not be huge,

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

Even in a 25% float scenario, MSCI finds that the dollar flows just for funds tracking MSCI indices would be huge with newly listed private companies receiving billions of dollars in investment and the largest existing public companies seeing billions in outflows.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

I think those flows are really what matter to index fund investors because even a small percentage change, if it's billions of dollars changing, moving from one equity to another, that's kind of what matters for the index funds who are being forced to buy and sell shares.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

I think there are probably some interesting tax considerations here too.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

I don't know enough about how exactly that would play out with US listed ETFs because they do have some mechanisms to reduce

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

tax, but this would be a lot of buying and selling.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

It'll be interesting to see how that plays out too.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So just to recap, index funds, depending on the rules of the specific indices they track, may or may not invest in these mega IPOs.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

And even if they do, it's likely going to be at a weight reflecting their public float, unless we're talking about the NASDAQ 100, which as of recently would use its newly adopted float factor, which again is more conservative than their previous methodology of using the total market capitalization.

The Rational Reminder Podcast
Episode 406: When Massive Private Companies Go Public

So that's kind of where we're at.