Benji Naesen

I do think it's partially a poker face.

I think she doesn't show when she's suffering as much.

So he will suddenly go from poker face to being on a gap.

Yeah, it's basically what she did in the last four kilometers, I'd say, because after that first Volring move, then the second Volring move was trying again.

But Volring wasn't putting much damage in.

The only rider that got in trouble with Volring's attack was, I think, Holmgren.

Yeah, she dangled a bit.

She came back and then she attacked him.

And then that's when Demi looked in trouble.

She was in fourth position on the gap and looked grimacing, trying to close it down.

So I think we're in a situation where...

That's actually the moment, Patrick.

That moment right there, where Demi voting was on a gap, after that Holmgren move, after Holmgren got dropped earlier, that's when Anna von der Breggen switched from following to starting to pace.

Do you feel like there's a way in which her team car noticed following's in trouble?

You won't be able to get countered if you just set a controlling tempo to the top?

I think that's a feasible...

That said, in Angoludo, we did have this mano a mano fight.

I'm pretty sure mano a mano doesn't mean man versus man.

It means person versus person, right?

So I assume I can say this.