Benji Naesen

But I've not seen that for like two and a half years.

Yeah, we have not seen the best one-hour climbs of following, well, long climbing, not just one-hour climbing, long climbing efforts since 2023, right?

To me, in stage five, if voting is there in Hill Classics level, I'd expect her to drop her on everybody on stage five.

Those are not the longest climbs in the world.

Yeah, the last two.

Those are the ones, eh?

Yes, correct.

That's where you spent your Dauphiné credits.

Oh, yeah.

Well, I'm not saying that either.

I'm just expecting her to be at a better level than what I've seen in this Giro d'Italia because it's two months away.

It'd be problematic if she was shredding everybody at this point.

How do we differentiate a mountain time trial in this race versus a rolling train time trial at the Tour de France?

I expect her to do really well there, but what was it last year again at Worlds?

Yeah, for sure.

Last year in the rolling world, the world's terrain, the gap was, what, 13 seconds between Von der Breggen and Volring and Kigali in the time trial?

Yeah, but I also hope that Volring is better than the level she was at the World Championships of ITT last year.

Thing is also, this Anna von der Breggen also got shredded on Angliru a month ago.

So it's not a step up from this year to last year, it's from last month.

Well, that's what I'm saying, Patrick.