Benny Vasquez

Wasn't that the case, though? I mean, that's the major issues that people are using in production.

Even the brand name.

And it's just weird that there's this angst out there because they essentially want... If there were other people here who could argue against it, they would probably argue against it, but my opinion, my summarization of what I understand about it is they essentially want what REL gives as a product for free, as in freedom of open source, and free as in cost.

And CentOS used to give it, I'm quoting, used to give it prior to being acquired by Red Hat. Now it's upstream from RHEL in terms of a visual diagram. It was acquired by, as an open source product, acquired by. Now it is where the active development happens, which ultimately lands in RHEL the product. Mm-hmm. And so the angst there is the folks want what is enterprise grade Linux.

Well, you're considered the gold standard of enterprise grade Linux. They want it for free. That's the angst.

It's mostly what I wanted to cover. I know we can probably go deeper. Wherever you want. And I got more I can say, but I don't know how much more we want to go. How much more do you want to spend on this, Jared? Five minutes? Five minutes.

Okay.

What exactly is extra in the extra?

That was a good summary, I think. I think that's what I wanted to cover for a while. I think it's been challenging to, from the outside, as a non-Red Hat Enterprise Linux user, I'm not that person. But I care about Enterprise Linux because I have friends who care about Enterprise Linux. Using it at work or at home? All over the place. Friends at Facebook even that rely upon CentOS, of course.

And it's just kind of crazy that how the world is fractured And then the parts we can't, that I won't really go into, but that other side, on the rebuild side, is also offering support and financially backed services. So why not just buy Red Hat Enterprise Linux in the first place? We've talked about that in the side conversations, Jared.

I know you won't, but what do you think about that, Jared? We've talked about that. It seems strange... to go through all this and have these rebuilds that is either bug-for-bug compatible or there's words that leverage the RHEL brand to be RHEL-like that says it's free and open source.

But then they're offering support or other financially backed services. That's basically what Red Hat's doing. to rail it in the first place. The rabbit hole goes deep. It is. Carl, thank you for sharing that story. Yeah, I'm always happy to talk about it. Going deep with us. We appreciate it. Thanks, Carl. Appreciate it.

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