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Benquo

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
282 total appearances

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LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

If decency is defined by the arbitrary whim of our betters, who are you to prosecute your father?

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

If the gods love decent things because they are decent, then however we know this, we already know the standard for decency ourselves and can cut out the middleman.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

But then Euthyphro should be able to explain the standard.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Euthyphro tries a few more times, suggesting that decency is a kind of service to the gods, a kind of trade with the gods.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Each time Socrates gently follows the definition to its consequences, and each time it collapses.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Eventually Euthyphro leaves, saying he is in a hurry.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Socrates' last words are a lament.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

You have abandoned me without the understanding I needed for my own defence.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

This is usually read as a proto-academic dialogue about definitions.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

It is a scene from a civilisation in crisis.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

A man is about to use the legal system to destroy his own father on the basis of a concept he cannot define, in a courthouse where another man is about to be destroyed by the same concept.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

And the man who cannot define it is not unusual.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

He is representative.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

It is worth noting the irony that this conversation is itself a good illustration of the sort of just asking questions that angered people enough to prosecute Socrates for indecency.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

Athens in the late 5th century had recently become something it had never been before.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

The capital of an empire.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

This changed what it meant to speak in public.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

When Athens was a small city making decisions about its own affairs, leadership among Athenians involved speaking to communicate your perspective on matters of shared concern.

LessWrong (Curated & Popular)
"Socrates is Mortal" by Benquo

But now that the collective decisions of Athens mattered for a whole lot of other people, those other people were quite naturally going to spend a lot of time thinking about how to get Athenians to decide their way.