Bernard Hudson
Appearances
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
The State Department has something called the Intelligence and Research INR. You've got the Coast Guard and you have Department of Homeland Security.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So I served throughout the entire Middle East. I was in Iraq. I was in Africa. I was in the Levant. I was in Pakistan. Where in the Levant? Jordan.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So, unique to the American Intel community, the Department of Energy has got a bunch of authorities dealing with nuclear weapons and the design of nuclear weapons, both in the United States and what we need to know about potential adversary or partner countries that have nuclear weapons. And so they have a very small, it's a very small office inside the Department of Energy.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
But it's a fair question. People will say, you know, why don't we just have one agency that takes care of all of this for so many different organizations? And I think over the years, certainly within DOD, for the nine agencies they've got, they feel these are technical enough and they need them focused particularly on that particular service.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Like the Air Force has a particular set of things that they need to carry out their mission that are not necessarily the types of information the CIA might collect. Some of the things CIA might collect would be of use to the Air Force, but there's a lot of things that CIA wouldn't collect that the Air Force, for example, might need, and that they prefer to have their own unit.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
It's mostly analytical to assess foreign air developments.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So Peshawar, Pakistan- You were in Peshawar? Yeah, but before 9-11 was the most alien place that I've ever gone. I wasn't there permanently. I was just, I would go in for business, but that was an alien place.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So they sit atop it. You know, it gets a little complicated when people think, you know, is there a org chart that says the director of national intelligence can give an order? that one of these other agencies have to follow, or could it cut their budget if the Director of National Intelligence wanted?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
That becomes more of a political issue, and some of that has to do with how money is allocated by Congress. So we talked about how nine of these agencies are actually within the Defense Department. Well, that means their ultimate boss is the Secretary of Defense. And the Secretary of Defense has an enormous say in how those agencies are operated.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So really, you know, the DNI's authorities are looking at how these agencies really contribute to the overall American collection and exploitation of information effort.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So I've noticed her career from early on when she was a congressman. And myself and others, you know, CIA officers and other people in the government, I think we're sort of interested in here's somebody who has served her country. She was still, in fact, I believe she was a congressman and serving as an Army reservist.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
who actually raises some thoughtful questions about, you know, the purposes of American foreign policy. And, you know, during her run for president with the Democratic Party, you know, her comments in some of the debates I found to be extraordinarily unusual for an American politician. You know, in particular when she challenged, you know, the frontrunner Hillary Clinton
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Yeah, it's even alien. Even Pakistanis who live in Islamabad or Raupindi or Karachi, when they go into Peshawar will remark, This is a different country. This is really Afghanistan. It just happens to be inside Pakistan's borders.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
on the effects of some of her foreign policy decisions, I think in particular on Libya. So I thought, you know, Tulsi Gabbard was a solid choice to be the DNI, and I was, I've been a bit surprised by some of the vitriolic response to her nomination, because when you look at, on paper, her background, it's consistent with other people who've had senior jobs in the US Intel community.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Mike Pompeo, John Ratcliffe, in some ways, Avril Haines, who's now the current Director of National Intelligence. Some of her background is not at all dissimilar to some of them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I'm not aware of her background on that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I wouldn't think so. It would seem to be inconsistent. What was also sort of interesting to me was, you know, she took a lot of heat for... being skeptical on things that I'm not so sure it wasn't right to be skeptical on.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So, in particular, I am sympathetic to when she was a congressman and went to Syria and was essentially trying to do a fact-finding mission to figure out what is U.S. policy interest in Syria.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
and was also trying to get to the bottom of, I think in her mind, and I can't speak for her, but it's my outside assessment, the question about whether or not the Assad regime used chemical weapons on its own people. Now, the Assad regime was brutal. Both the father and the son ran one of the most diabolically brutal regimes that they've ever had in the Middle East.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
However, what she was trying to look at was, had they escalated the use of chemical weapons? When you think about all the people who were participating in what we call the global war on terrorism or the Iraq veterans, I wouldn't blame any of them for being skeptical about what the U.S. intelligence community might have said about another Arab state having a weapon of mass destruction.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
It is very, if you like that sort of man who would be king vibe.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Well, you know... I pushed the State Department if this is true.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And a lot of the goodwill and trust had been extinguished by what happened in 2003. So, you know, again, in my view of Tulsi Gabbard and other veterans of the Iraq war and occupation... which was an opposed occupation. It got fairly bloody at times. So if you're there in that country serving, and at some point you ponder, you know, how did we exactly get here?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And somebody tells you, well, it's, you know, the American intel community, you know, assessed that there was WMD here. They got it wrong. Flash forward now, you're a congressman. Someone is, you know, laying out yet another case that there might've been chemical weapons use.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
maybe you're concerned that is this a prelude to not only just tagging and assigning culpability to an evil regime, but some sort of opening move in a much more aggressive U.S. involvement in that country.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
If you like the Flashman Hotel, if you like that sort of British late colonial chic. Totally. It's the place to go.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So I, on that, you know, just as someone who myself was in Iraq and very familiar with other people who've served there, I don't blame any of them for wanting to ask two, three, four questions about the existence of WMD in an Arab state in the first, you know, say, decade after an incident like 2003.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Well, I mean, you get sort of sometimes shifting standards on what constitutes a threat. Yes. I do believe that probably by the end of his administration, even the Obama people had come to conclude that – Syria was probably not a direct actionable threat to the United States.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Now, it's fair to say that during the occupation of Iraq, that the Syrian government knowingly allowed plenty of people to cross that border who were going to, you know, attack U.S. troops in that country. But, you know, there are ways to deal with that. And I think, again, when you look at U.S. policy towards Syria, it's always been fairly hostile.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, it's never outside of a very short period of time in the first Gulf War when Bashar Assad, the father, or Hafez Assad, the father, had gone along with the Americans to push back Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. We've always had a bad relationship with that regime. Any reason? No. It was particularly brutal. It was also a legacy of the Cold War, very close to the Soviets.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And it's easy to forget now, but the Syrian regime under the Assad family hosted a number of terrorist organizations that did attack American interests in Europe and other places. They hosted terrorist groups. They helped destabilize Lebanon, which was an important small ally of the United States at the time in the 70s and 80s. So...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I mean, you know, that gets us back to sort of the Third World Movement and Soviet surrogates. The non-aligned countries. Non-aligned countries. And then you add on to that just sort of a uniquely strange cult of personality where, for example, in Iraq, you know, the name Assad also means, you know, it's a lion in Arabic. Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
People wouldn't want to use the word for lion in Arabic because that would require them to say the president's name, the name of the president's family. The fear that the average person had in Syria was astounding. I remember going there on a trip at one point. And just, it was saturated with secret police everywhere.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I would call it the not so secret police because you'd be walking around Damascus and you could see clearly these guys there. And really their focus was domestic repression. You know, it was really not looking for foreigners. So it's not to say that you're absolutely right. There are many terrible regimes in the world. The Assads, you know, were at least noteworthy within the Arab context.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
um but the resistance to her is very very intense where do you think that comes from i think some of it seems to come from a sense that she is not deferential to the foreign policy consensus And within Washington, you know, there is a sense that there, I mean, there clearly is a foreign policy consensus, you know, and that's true of almost any government.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
No, I was thankfully spared that. I was able to actually serve, again, you know, sort of undercover, you know, working, trying to record or recruit what we call human sources and foreign intelligence to go back to our government.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, any government that has a foreign policy and that has security services, you know, there tends to be sort of a worldview that's coalesced, that generally coalesces and is held by the majority of the people who work there. I think she's a bit of a disruptor when it comes to that and is willing to challenge things.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I would agree with you that I don't really understand sort of the vitriol of some of this. I don't think it really is warranted.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Well, this gets to the sort of absurd lengths that...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
people have sometimes fallen to about trying to go after their domestic opponents i mean here we have somebody who was and is a lieutenant colonel in the u.s army which means she has security clearance probably top secret clearance and you know making statements as serving government officials or recently you know retired government officials that this person is probably a russian agent
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I find it curious that the same group of folks who might say that the McCarthy era was extreme... Well, they've embraced it completely. The McCarthy era is not a how-to manual. It was a cautionary tale.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I don't get consulted on these sorts of issues. No, but as an observer, like... So, you know, part of... I think part of what you're seeing here is, you know, that sort of independent thinking and really questioning in some ways what we got for our efforts of the last 25 years, you know, certainly since 2003. Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
to essentially assess that you've developed inside the United States something I've heard people call militarism without victory, where you have this sort of consistent push to the most aggressive options on the table. But you're not Sparta. You keep losing. And we certainly don't gain much even from some of the ones that we've won on. That's right. And so I think...
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So, there were three CIAs that I served in. So, there was the Cold War CIA that I joined in 1989. Now, I joined like only nine months before the wall came down. But the ethos of that place up until, say, 91, it was always focused on Russia and the Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I'm not sure that a lot of the professional national security establishment has, as a group, really come to that conclusion yet. I think individually, when you talk to folks who had careers, whether in the military, the security services, state department, they'll privately admit that if you name Libya, Iraq,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
certainly the occupation of Afghanistan post the death of Osama bin Laden, that it's really hard to say that we really got very much as a country out of that. But there certainly is relevancy that you get as the United States by being able to sort of impose your will on situations. And it's important if you're going to be a superpower to be able to impose your will if you have to do so.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
What has changed, I think, over the last 20 years is the threshold to want to impose that will seems to have gotten down to a fairly hair trigger.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And so things that I would think we would have stayed out of when we had a standoff with the Soviet Union, or at least thought twice about, people are now a little bit of a knee-jerk reaction that, you know, let's move this two steps up the escalation ladder. not always warranted.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Well, you know, back to your, you know, it gets to your question on, you know, why Tulsi Gabbard. I like skepticism in senior intelligence officers. In my experience, you know, being overly credulous or being willing to sort of believe the most extreme version of an event, even if it later turns out to be true,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Certainly at the senior levels, it's well worth it to have some people in the loop who are prepared to ask some very hard questions and to suffer the consequences from asking those hard questions. if you really want to be an effective director of national intelligence, you probably have to go into work every day with the expectation that this might be my last day.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I might be forced to say something or do something that will be unpopular, unwelcome, but I think it's necessary for the system to have a couple of folks around who are prepared to take that risk.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And from what I saw of her career, and I don't know her personally, she seems like somebody who, despite being on the fast track in the Democratic Party, she was the vice chair of the DNC, a presidential candidate, was willing to put her personal ethics and personal views on the table and say, for this, I'm prepared to suffer.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And that's a good thing to have for the American Intel enterprise, in my opinion.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And then it went and I won't call it an identity crisis, but certainly a change in its character as the United States sort of moved into the peace dividend era, say sort of 91 when the Soviet Union is no more and NATO starts expanding westward. In that period, you know, you had a lot of basically a struggle to figure out what does the agency really want to focus on?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So I think there've been instances where, you know, you've had that sort of oversight. Now, some of it, you know, goes back historically. So your church committee, so which is the, you know, long- 50 years. That's a long time ago. That's sort of the high watermark of, you know, oversight having a significant effect on the IC.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Since then, and my experience was mostly post 9-11 in dealing with Congress, that there was fairly robust interest in what the agency does. To be fair, there was a lot of support for the IC in the agency. in Congress, historically, generally is. The CIA would say that that's because they try to be consistent with what they think Congress will accept and what the administration wants.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
It's always worth remembering that the IC in the end works for the executive branch and the president. Obviously their budgets and some of their authorities are controlled by the laws that Congress puts on them. Your question is a really good one on,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And I think, you know, however we got here, I think one of the things that I would like to see the IC and those who manage it accept is that we really are here. That this is, you know, a situation where it's a highly partisan atmosphere in the United States. Not everybody is going to flexibly trust the security services.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And if they really want to be able to perform their mission appropriately and effectively, They've got to be in a place where the people trust them. But on whose behalf are they performing it?
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
As a legal measure, if the president, as long as it's lawful, gives an order to the IC, especially the CIA, which directly works for the president, doesn't even work. We talked about the nine other intel agencies. They work for the Secretary of Defense, by extension the president, of course. Yes, they have to obey lawful orders that are given to them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Again, I think, you know, come 20 January, you know, we're going to – once the executive – and one presumes that there'll be a number of executive orders that will come out of the White House, you know, that the president will be able to lawfully provide –
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And it never really came to a clear answer until Tuesday morning, 11 September. And then it became the third agency that I served in. Where were you? So that morning, I was at home. I was in an apartment getting ready to go to an assignment overseas during my final preparations. I saw that the news had said a plane had just struck a building in New York City.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
At that point, if people in the IC or the IC leadership is not responsive, there's plenty of mechanisms for a president and a White House and national security advisor to determine if they're not in, as they say in the IC, not aligned with what the president wants them to do. President and the director of CIA have very broad authority to remove people. Very broad.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, that wasn't my experience, you know, working with, you know, oversight when I work with them, you know. I've sadly just never heard anybody say that to me.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I thought, you know, that was pretty weird. Clear day, you know, a little suspicious. Jump in my car to go to CIA headquarters. On the radio, I hear that they had just hit the second tower. And I get into the parking lot, and there's, you know, a lot of things going on.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So let me take this in reverse order. Yes. So you're talking about the Feinstein statement. That's exactly right. So my understanding of how that happened is that they accused the agency of being able to look at the computers. Correct. In the Senate.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
that were in the CIA building that the Senate staff had access to, and that they were government computers with CIA information on it, and that all of those computers come with a warning, both written on the cover of the computer and when you boot it up, that this is a government system and it's fully auditable. So it's my understanding that the computers in question
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
you know, that, you know, Senator Feinstein said were improperly accessed by the agency, were in fact, you know, CIA computers that were made available to them, but with the clear warnings that anything on this computer that you do, not some other computer that you would be on, not your personal handheld device,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Those computers are accessible by CIA security, just like every other computer that the CIA buys and makes available for its own employees, so that there's an audit function on all of that. Now, I had never heard, you know, that the allegations ever extended to other computer systems that people in the Senate were using that were not provided by the CIA.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Now, again, I'll caution that I wasn't directly involved in that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I was aware she said that. Again, my understanding is the only audits that were going on of any computers were ones that were clearly marked as this is a computer owned by the government subject to audit. So I can't speak to, you know, what I can't speak to is never in my career did anybody ever approach me and say anything about audits.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Never. No one ever asked me to do it. No one I know ever told me that they were involved in it. And it's a fairly small place.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
A woman tells me, I didn't know this person, but they said, you know, in the way things had happened on that Tuesday, people would talk to you who didn't normally talk to each other. Hey, somebody just blew up the State Department. Now, that was obviously a garble of the plane hitting the Pentagon. So, I went into the building. Went to the Near East Section, which was my home division.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I think it's troubling if any member of Congress believes that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And that's, I would say, what you've just told me. That would be, if I was still in government, that's the thing that would trouble me. Yeah. Is that if our relationship with our oversight has reached this sort of a level where they would entertain that type of a... Where CIA is more powerful than the people overseeing CIA.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I mean, again, in all my interactions when I would go down and testify or provide background briefings to Congress... It was always with the understanding, you know, that the CIA has an office, you know, deals with collaboration and oversight. It was always like, you've got to make sure everything you say is accurate.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
If you say something that's not accurate, you've got to come back and explain that you got it wrong, that you submitted something that was in error. It was always deferential in my level and with what I experienced. But if I had become aware that a senior Senator had said something like that or a Congressman at any level I'd say we definitely have a problem.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
We need to reestablish trust, however it has to happen. And if somebody had ever told me that we're spying on congressmen, I wouldn't have followed an order like that. And most of my friends that I know who were there wouldn't have followed an order like that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Again, I, I never saw, heard, or even got a whiff of anything like that. Washington does play by some pretty hard rules within the political world. But again, if I'd ever been in a meeting where somebody had said, hey, we're going to dish some dirt on some Congressman, It would have been utterly shocking and appalling.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And I think, again, most of the employees I know would refuse to carry out an order like that. We would actually think this is some sort of bizarre joke. I just can't see how you would easily be able to do that without other people knowing. It's a very gossipy place, the CIA.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Well, I do think, you know, just like any mature bureaucracy. You know, the Intel community, any federal agency can make a very good case for why they think something needs to be done. And I mean, a case on its merits. You know, so, you know, Kissinger used to have an old joke that he would get three types of briefings. You know, one is, or three types of options.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Your home office was called the division in those days. And at that point, there was a report that there was a missing fourth plane headed to Washington. And the director of CIA probably smartly decided to evacuate the building because he didn't know where the target for the fourth plane was going to be. But when you're young and aggressive, I decided I wanted to ignore that order.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
total nuclear war, abject surrender, and then something in the middle. You know, that's still a fairly common play across the U.S. government. So it is entirely possible that, you know, busy congressmen and senators who have an awful lot of things that they've got to be focused on, they come in to deal with an agency that they have oversight on.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Generally speaking, that agency has an information advantage over them on details and can lay out a very good case for what it is they want to do. I'm not saying it's necessarily a wise case, but they can lay out a compelling case
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And there is a sense I did notice in my career of a deference to, well, these are the experts, you know, they're careerists who've been doing this for all their life, you know, pushing back on that could make, you know, it's a bit of a lonely place to be. So, I think, you know, in some ways, you know, Senate and House staffs, they don't have a lot of them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, they have a lot people think they do. But when you think about all the things that they've got to evaluate, especially when they deal with, you know, complex issues, war and peace, national security, there's an awful lot of deference that does apply to the Senate.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Yeah, that's a hard one to square. I remember when that statement was made, and again, it wasn't in the part of the CIA that I had any access to, but- That's the kind of statement that doesn't contribute in any positive way.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
It certainly didn't reflect a reality that I was a part of. You know, I retired in 2017. clearly it's become fairly toxic in Washington. And it's not unfair to say that some of that toxicity does reach into the federal agencies. But when people make statements like that, whether it's bravado or they think it's true, it fuels that mistrust.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So there is a sort of a reflexive circling of wagons when it comes to secrecy in the IC. I think in the case of the Kennedy assassination, and probably things certainly dating back maybe even less than that, there's an overwhelming public benefit to sharing that data.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
What? Yeah.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So what I'll say next, I'll say as a person who spent most of my adult life in the Intel community, I would be very curious as to how somebody would try to justify that. I mean, the only thing that I could think of is that government files would include theories of a crime or an event that later get to be disproven.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And so sort of enlisted a friend of mine who was, you know, as we were being told by the, they were called security protective officers, who basically the guard force and the security force inside the agency were telling everybody to leave.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So in the early days of some kind of an event, you're going to have agencies and parts of your agency generate things. I understand. But I think American democracy can handle that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Who's the president of the United States? Well, I mean, the president has absolute declassification authorities. I'm aware. So people can dislike it. But if the president says, you will declassify everything related to subject X, his declassification authority is as broad and absolute as his pardon power.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I really don't know. If the president had said that they wanted something declassified, I don't understand why they would say that they would push back on it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I personally don't. You know, if I had to guess, you know, could I see a situation where dots didn't get connected that should have been connected? You know, things dropped off the table. Somebody looked at a piece of information and said, well, that's not really all that important. Right.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
That said, I have friends of mine who are retired CIA officers who at least entertain the idea that the agency of 1962, 1963, it's possible. I don't personally see that, but this could all be cleared up if they just put out whatever they have.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
It was the first time I'd ever directly disobeyed an order in CIA and instead got a friend of mine to go with me over to what was called the Counterterrorism Center, where a friend of mine who I'd worked for before was the director and said, listen, you know, this is why I joined the CIA. You know, I joined it to be ready to do something for my country when that time came.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Yes, they're all paper.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Again, for the people I knew when I was in the agency and the people I know who are still there, If I were still in, I would reflect, my reflexive position would be, okay, there's really no reason that something that long ago can't be declassified in toto.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Well, I'll go on the record as saying, you know, I believe 9-11 was perpetrated by who we said it was. Yes. And some of those people are still down in Guantanamo Bay waiting for justice. Others are dead. I'm very confident the IC had nothing to do. You know, there was no deep state actors or, you know, putting demolitions in the towers in New York. There really was a plane that hit the Pentagon.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I think... I think you could make a good case that there's no reason not to declassify most of this stuff. What I would expect, you know, might be troublesome. It's possible that, you know, You know, some of the early documents are wrong, you know, materially wrong. When you're reporting on contemporaneous events, some of your reports will be wrong.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I think people can understand that, okay, this is something that came out, you know, a week after 9-11. It's incorrect. It was proven. It was a theory of the crime that was disproven, right? I personally believe if it would advance, you know, building more trust with the government and the IC, which I think is absolutely critical to having, you know, effective national security defense.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I personally don't think that there's any reason you can't classify most of those things, if not all of them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Yeah, I mean, you know, I remember years ago, actually, you know, some people in Al-Qaeda discussing this, you know, weirdly, you know, they were upset that people were trying to take their credit from them for, you know, doing what they did on 9-11. Because, you know, for them, it was an important part of their... of their credibility with their own folks that they were able to pull this off.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And you never really know when that time is. And that for me and for everybody else who was in the CIA in those years, that became the dominant mission. You know, prevent another 9-11. Yes. Figure out, you know, what the real threat is, find, fix that threat, and then, you know, do something to make sure it doesn't ever happen again.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So I see no reason that they probably can't.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So again, you know, when I was in the agency and what me and my colleagues did, we were focused on collecting foreign, actionable foreign intelligence abroad. You know, if somebody on the internet had something to say, you know, that was completely at odds with what we knew to be the truth, you just sort of baked that in to how you did what you did. It's a political question.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
It's really a White House decision. You know, if the White House had decided, you know what? It's in our national interests to put everything out on the table that we have.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And a president can make that happen. Just like a president can pardon anybody, a president can bulk declassify data if they want to. And there's literally nothing the federal workforce or the agencies could do to push back on that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So, you know, I'll caution this by I'm not an expert on how they do what we call contractor clearances. But, you know, in the years after 9-11, the federal workforce didn't grow as much as the work grew. And so what happened was there was an increasing reliance on private companies to do and to augment the federal intelligence community.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
those companies would have to hire people who would need to get security clearances. And those security clearances have to be the equivalent of the ones that a federal employee had to do the same work.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So in many cases, what you had were federal employees who reached the point of retirement, but let's say they're still relatively young, 50, 52, and they go to work for these contracting companies that have contracts back in the government.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And in that case, they need to maintain their clearance and can lawfully retain their clearance because they're working on a government contract through an approved vendor. Now, you probably have a much smaller number of instances where people who don't fit into that category might still be authorized to have access to a security clearance and occasional briefings from the government.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
No, I still went to the Middle East, to the Gulf region. Perfect. And served there for a number of years, supporting operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. What you learned in the early days of the global war on terrorism is that it really was a global effort.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And what happens, again, a very narrow number of folks, usually cabinet secretaries, people who have careers where there's still you know, engaged with, say, you know, foreign policy in the private sector, and the government deems that it's advantageous to keep these people updated on certain developments.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Usually, they don't get access to the same information that an in-service federal employee might get, but they might be given a briefing on, you know, developments in a certain part of the world because they travel there a lot. They are can still be an effective voice for American policy if they're informed. But that's a very tiny.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Well, nobody has a right to it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And again, you know, the... DOD and whatever the home agency is where your clearance is, quote, being held, have an absolute right to grant, revoke, or not issue a clearance. And certainly a president, if the president decided this person does not need access to classified information, it would be unusual for a president to sort of name somebody like that.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
But as far as I understand, it's well within his authority to say this person doesn't need a security clearance. And the person would have to be able to articulate, even if a president wasn't involved in making a decision like that, the person petitioning to get a clearance or to keep it would have to have a reason that's actionable and to the benefit of the government to do so.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So I was a case officer.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I'm not aware of the specifics of a former cabinet level officer trying to keep a clearance. I would imagine if the new administration said that they didn't approve it or concur, that it's essentially an unreviewable decision. Probably, being Washington, you could probably find an attorney who would take your case on.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, the United States in those days, and it's kind of hard to understand now, had an enormous moral hand when it came to trying to get other countries to enlist with us to work against the counterterrorism threat.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
But, you know, presumably, even if you had a clearance, they don't have to actually give you any access to anything. Just because you have a clearance, it isn't a badge that allows you to get into a physical place and access data. Somebody still has to proactively... Check that you have a clearance and then brief you.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And again, an administration has broad authorities about who can have a clearance. And just because a former official wants one, they don't have a right to keep it.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
do you make of these apparent terror attacks in new orleans um well the attack in new orleans and then the exploding cyber truck in las vegas so you know it's early and one of the things i learned you know in my time dealing with terrorist actions and uh in an intel world is you know you want to be careful about what you think you believe you still get the story what we know so far about new orleans is it looks like
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Other types of attacks we've seen over the years, sort of somebody becomes self-radicalized and then carries out, you know, an extreme act with little preparation time ahead of the actual attack. So often in these type of cases, you know, somebody may have been thinking about doing some violent action.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Something happens in their life, they see, think, or believe something, and they simply are triggered.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
The initial information that I was reading earlier today was that the attack or whatever happened, the explosion in front of Trump Hotel is not related to, or they haven't detected any connections with what happened in New Orleans. Now, I think if I was still in government and two events happened on the same day or within 24 hours of each other,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
That has sometimes been the hallmark of an organized terror attack, and as a working theory, it's worthwhile to at least look into it. However, what little we know, and we don't know much about the attacker in Las Vegas, he doesn't seem to be of the same political persuasion. Again, we don't know a lot yet of the attacker in New Orleans. Now, You have two possibilities here.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And a lot of that, I think, was basically because a lot of countries woke up and realized that accommodating terrorists or turning a blind eye to them was injurious to their own fate and were eager to partner with the United States in those days.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Which means my job was I was focused on foreign governments and foreign posts where you're trained up. given language skills, given set of skills to manage what we call trade craft, how to operate clandestinely and safely overseas. And then you're assigned undercover to an embassy. And that sort of becomes your career with stints back in what we call headquarters in Virginia.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
One, they're connected, which means that it was an organized effort and somebody missed it. Initial indications are that's probably not the case. The other option is that you've got two independent attacks, if this is really an attack, if it's really political in Las Vegas. Vegas.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
What that would tend to tell you, and especially when you add in the attack or the murder of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, which was clearly in many ways an act of political terrorism, is something changing in the political atmosphere, which is already toxic, that is triggering a certain set of our population to say, you know what, whatever my personal beliefs are,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
they are so pushed to the edge that at this point I feel I've got to execute or make some kind of a statement, a violent statement that I've been sitting on for quite some period of time.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So I think it's too early to tell, you know, are we looking at my, you know, is this sort of the new normal where as politics becomes more toxic in America that people decide, you know, to take, you know, take violent action on their own? We do know that Violent acts tend to open the door to other violent acts.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
People who are inclined to do these type of things when they see a violent political act will often see that as like, well, that person can do it, I can do it. We just simply don't know.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I don't, I mean, inspired. So the guy in New Orleans apparently, you know, was consuming ISIS type propaganda. And, you know, according to the, you know, what's in the papers or the, you know, the news media. had produced a couple of videos in route to the attack site making pro-ISIS statements. So in that case, yes, he's inspired by ISIS, a foreign terrorist group,
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
But it doesn't sound like, you know, he was getting any direction or had any help, which is its own troubling type of terrorism when they do this on their own and they don't require a conspiracy. It's very hard to catch them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I mean, there had been an early report, you know, that the vehicle involved had come across from Mexico.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
That seems to maybe not be true, but it does bring up an interesting point, which is, and part of the reason I think that had a lot of currency, it's very hard to have an effective counterterrorism policy if you don't have border control. Because terrorism is about people. It's people who carry it out.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, in the last four years, we've had something like 9 million people show up at our borders unannounced and have been allowed to come in and stay. 9 million people, if you aggregate it out on a monthly basis, is one U.S. Marine Corps worth of people every single month for four years.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Well, certainly. I mean, so, you know, you have the invasion of Iraq in 2003, which unfortunately, you know, the intelligence that led to the decision to go in there was deeply flawed. And that had an enormous hit on the American intelligence community's credibility and U.S. foreign policy credibility.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
It's impossible to vet or to know anything meaningful about a Marine Corps' worth of people coming into this country every month for four years.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
As a former intelligence official myself, somebody responsible for counterterrorism operations and intel, if somebody had told me, well, we need you to guarantee that you've got a screening process where we could look at who these people are so we know who we're letting in, that's impossible. You don't even know what these people's real names are. You don't know anything about their backgrounds.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
It's an enormous black hole of information that there's no easy solution. If you're not going to have order controls that are effective, it's very hard to have an effective CT policy. Counterterrorism policy. Counterterrorism.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I did.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I've never heard anybody tell me that if you don't have control of your borders, that you can have good counterterrorism policy. In fact, I remember when I was in service, like many of us, I had a chance to actually talk to people who'd been terrorists, honest to goodness.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
you know, gun-carrying terrorists, and you ask them sort of, okay, of all the things that governments do that make it hard for you to do what you do as a bad guy, what are some of those things? The top two were, the number one was getting across borders where they ask a lot of questions. They said that's an extremely tough thing to get around.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, it's the single easiest thing a government can do to isolate itself from at least a big element of terrorism, which is transnational terrorism.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I can't think of any credible counterterrorism official I know who, if asked the question, can you guarantee that you're able to validate up to 200,000 people a month who are coming through our border? That's not possible. It's simply impossible to know even what their real names are.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
No. I mean, without effective border controls and in a world where... America has legitimate enemies. It does. People may say, well, we shouldn't have made that person or that country an enemy, but we live with the reality that we have. It's a needless and avoidable risk that we've taken that we could easily do something to prevent and tighten that up very quickly.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So there's, you know, there's two ways that you can gender hostility. One, you know, carrying out something that's important to you that, you know, in the course of events, you know, you have to impose your will on a foreign country or a foreign organization because it's in your legitimate interests. And people don't like it. And they don't like it, you know, and that's an awful lot of this.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I think there was, I mean, I think what's unclear and what probably has to happen when something that egregiously wrong goes, occurs, there's gotta be a public facing piece of this. I think that was absent in the post-2003 environment. I personally believe that this was the greatest intelligence failure of the American intel community, certainly in my time in government.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, in other cases, you know, you know, some of the long occupations that the United States has, some of its foreign policy decisions, which may or may not be controversial with the American people, which maybe there's no consensus on, will tend to generate ill will with a certain percentage of the world's population.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So, you know, the thing about narrative is that the people who tend to buy the narrative the most are your own people. And so what I, it's easy as an American not to really understand narrative.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
how you are perceived in another country yeah and you know part of what i liked about being in the cia was that it gave you an opportunity to be able to go out and find out what are these countries and interest groups really think about us exactly and you know often you know people didn't want to hear what you had to say because you know you want to believe that okay this policy that we're pursuing is either at least if not popular with country x
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
is at least accepted by its leadership. And in many cases, that's simply not true. Now, many times these countries were either powerless to do anything about it, you know, it was something they disliked, but it wasn't going to have a negative impact, meaningful impact on their relationship with the United States. But generally speaking, I would say that Americans
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
don't have a great understanding of how the rest of the world works. I mean, we're a huge country. You don't have to engage with foreigners a lot. I mean, you can travel, but it's touristic. If you don't speak the language, there's a lot of things you don't pick up.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Part of what and why having a security service or an intel service is critical, and frankly, also a foreign service, a state department that's good at its job, is you need people who know what the reality on the ground is in these countries, so that despite whatever the popular narrative is, that at least the American leadership is informed.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Here's what these guys really think about subject X. And if we pursue subject X further, it's likely to have results that we can't stop or we're going to have to stop at an elevated cost to ourselves and our own interests.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So I would say generally within the CIA, you know, you got a fair hearing about what it is you collected. Now, whether or not the policymakers who consume the information the CIA produces, whether or not they believe it or they believe it's significant or they believe it's outweighed or not outweighed by other information they have access to, that was really up to them.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I'd say something that has changed in the last 20 years that makes this much harder is the rise of instantaneous information through the internet, you know, the handheld device, you know, that everybody's got. Where in the past, the security services, I think even globally, the IC in the United States, if they didn't have a monopoly on foreign information, they certainly had a large...
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
hard to challenge degree of access that nobody else did.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
What often I think happens now, and we've seen glimpses of this, you know, even come out in the media, is you have senior leaders of countries, senior leaders in the US, who yes, they will consume that president's daily brief that's produced every morning, but they've also got contacts around the world who send them an email or send them a video. That's right. And I remember several,
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
bizarre instances in the early days of the Ukraine war where people were commenting on videos purportedly coming out of Ukraine that were actually clips from video games. Yes. And, you know, in some cases, these were, you know, senior people or senior former people who, you know, who just didn't realize that this wasn't what it purported to be. And now that you've got- Well, they're lying.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So, you know, I think... I mean, Ukraine's instructive on a couple of levels. You know, one, if you think the 2003 invasion of Iraq was mishandled by the American intel community, and it was, the information on that, think about being the intelligence guys who told Putin that it would be a walkover to get into Ukraine. Because, you know, all indications are he was told, we'll be in Kiev in a week.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And, you know, we will be able to, you know, within a few months, be able to reimpose some type of a government in this country that's more to our liking. And clearly, you know, the Ukrainians who have their own nationalism, and it's been, I think, deepened by, you know, the violence of this war.
The Tucker Carlson Show
Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I mean, they've really pushed back, and it's bizarrely, Vladimir Putin has helped create more of a Ukrainian national identity than almost any other Ukrainian politician's ever done. People can unite against a common foe. You know, as to the long-term consequences? Can I say? Sure.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
a guilty person one would hope so what tends to happen in a modern bureaucracy at least in the american version of it is those type of mistakes are considered i'm not saying this is proper but this is sort of how they approach it it's a systemic problem and so we're going to take all these steps to change the things that we think led to this it is not including firing the leaders of that system i notice
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And we certainly just, we don't know because, you know, currently, I assume the current administration is not interested in, you know, providing what they call a track B analysis, you know, an alternate analysis.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Yeah, I mean, it's clearly a knowable fact. Well, yeah. And, you know, whether or not, you know, they were briefed on it, you know, they chose not to talk about it or whether they've never been briefed on it, I personally don't know. I mean, I think based on public comments from the incoming administration—
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I think they've got a very different plan about how to try to bring this terrible, horrible conflict to some sort of a resolution.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I mean, I can only say that were I advising somebody who was on the oversight, I would say that you have a very broad writ to be able to ask anything that you want to ask. And I would think that nobody in the IC, if asked... would say anything to them other than, okay, here's what we know. Now, maybe they don't know, or maybe they haven't gone out and collected it.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
But in the case of casualties in Ukraine, I'd be surprised if a congressman really wanted to know that, that they couldn't get that answer or force the system to give it to them. And if the system didn't, then that's a problem. That's a problem.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Again, I would imagine that they must have a pretty darn good idea. Do you know what those numbers are? I've heard various ones. I mean, so, you know, I've heard on the very low side, I've heard something like 50,000 Ukrainian dead. I don't believe that one. I think it's probably, you know, more like 120 to 150 dead. I think Russian, maybe half again, that if not double.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I think one of the things that you see when you go to Ukraine is an astounding number of people with traumatic amputations and grievous injuries. And all these are indicators of just how bad this conflict really is and how it's ground up so many young lives.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
It's not supposed to be. And it's supposed to be the job of whoever is the director of national intelligence to, you know, to the degree, you know, humanly possible to not put a heavy editorial slant on it. You know, whether they achieve that in everything, you know, it's a human enterprise. I'm sure there are instances when it doesn't.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I think there seem to be a lot of reasons why they, you know, they're uncomfortable with somebody who doesn't accept the foreign policy consensus. And, you know, since I wrote that article endorsing her, you know, I've had people I know, people I like, you know, say that, you know, why, you know, why her? I've had a lot more actually also reach out and say, we agree with you.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, somebody who's going to be skeptical and challenge the assumptions that we, you know, we far or were too easily willing to continue to traffic in, you know, it's, we can afford to have a couple of skeptics around.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
That is true in the 2003 example. What you don't have is what you might have in, say, a private sector company where you get something really, really wrong. It's hard to compare the magnitude of the 2003 mistake on Intel with anything a private sector company would do.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I did not have a moral qualm with anything that I was asked to do. You know, some of the things you get asked to do are hard. Oh, yeah. You know, probably, you know, I'd say in a war situation, and I'll expand this beyond myself, you could find yourself in situations where, you know, you might be supporting one side or another in a conflict.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And it becomes the policy of your country that it's no longer going to support either side or it's going to withdraw support. That can be a very bad thing to experience where you've got to deliver a message that says, I know we were supporting you before and we've been doing that for some time. Priorities have changed, and we're not going to support you.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Now, that's completely within the lawful authority of the director of the CIA, the National Security Council, and the president. It doesn't make it easy to do that. But did I have, you know, was I ever asked to do anything where I said, you know, that's completely outrageous or immoral? No, but, you know, maybe they save those questions for somebody else.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
But, you know, in my case, you know, I took a pretty aggressive view towards what America's role in the world should be. You know, like a lot of other folks, you know, who went to war zones, you know, now we don't equate what we do to what combat soldiers do. But, you know, you've got to make decisions sometimes that affect life and death.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
It was. Mike Spann. Mike Spann, who was killed, you know, early on. Did you know him? I did not. I did not. I knew, you know, other members of his team. And I remember the night when he was killed in Kalajangi Prison. You know, when a prisoner riot happened. Yeah, it's a job that has elevated risk, especially if you are overseas, you're in conflict zones.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, sometimes, you know, it's hostile action. Sometimes it's bad luck. You know, you're just in the wrong place at the wrong time. You know, something falls out of the sky and it gets too close to you and you're, you know, you're injured or killed.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
But it was a great career for a young person who's interested in the world, who sort of wants to challenge themselves and is willing to make a sacrifice. If you can keep your ethics while you're doing it, there's nothing else like it in the world, in my experience.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
But you got bureaucratic reform out of it, but what you didn't get, and it's fair to say this, is you didn't get, say, 20 identified people who were told, you know, you have to leave now.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Those type of careers, sort of like some of the... Is that a fair thing to... It's... And, you know, it's heavily skewed towards, you know, case officers and people who have multiple assignments overseas.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Yeah. I'd say, you know, similar to, you know, the Joint Special Operations Command, JSOC, which are, you know, Delta Force, Navy SEALs. Yeah, you have enormous stresses on families. To do this type of job and to really love it and to want to do it, you've really got to be willing to sacrifice. And that's something that they don't, they will tell you this when you first join.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, what's the old joke? What do young people really know about certain things? And as you matriculate through your career, you realize that, okay, you're going to need to give this up, and this thing might be important to you personally.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Maybe you're not going to go to that assignment that you wanted to go to because they're redirecting you to some other crisis that you were never interested in having anything to do with. But you join to serve at the leisure of your directors and your bosses, right? And I, in my case, I never turned down an assignment.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, even though, you know, I remember I tallied it up once of all the places I ever went, I never actually asked to go to any of them. I was just told, like, we know you put down, you wanted to go to some nice place in Europe. Somebody will just tell you, well.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Back to wherever you're going again.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So, you know, Sudan and Africa was pretty, pretty dicey and a pretty interesting place in the early 90s. You know, there's no cell phones. It's, you know, It was a hotbed of bad guy terrorism back in those days. Osama bin Laden was literally driving around Khartoum in a Toyota Hilux pickup truck.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
The government of Sudan was highly radicalized and had literally an open door policy towards almost every bad guy organization on planet Earth, which led to some very peculiar situations where they would I remember at one point they had a meeting at the Khartoum Hilton Hotel, which is near the Nile River. And it was literally a conference for every jihadist group on planet Earth.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
You know, it seems, you know, they had good discounts. I got the point. They had, you know, and if you're going to have non-alcoholic drinks, you know, super sugary, they had some pretty nice offerings. Yeah. But, you know, it was a different world on terrorism prior to 9-11. I mean, the Sudanese government in those days, quite literally, and this is not an exaggeration, advertised a conference.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I think it was in December of 1993. Come to Khartoum. We're going to be hosting everybody at the Khartoum Hilton. If you want to bring Hamas, bring Hezbollah, bring Islamic Jihad, bring the IRGC. bring far-flung terrorists of the groups that almost no one else has ever heard of.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And these people showed up for two days to talk about sort of the unfair American hegemony that they felt had been imposed upon the world.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I did.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I should have put like Swiss delegation or something, but I actually, I remember I was sitting next to... Again, the government at the time in Sudan was proud of this. They thought it was important. It was their way to establish a role for themselves. And... You know, I was a young guy. I was like 26 years old.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And I wound up in this conference hall where the opening chant is the army of the prophet is against the Jew. So that goes on for a couple of minutes to get the crowd going. And again, you know, I'm there not to advocate for what these people do. I'm there to try to figure out who they are and what they're up to. And if they want to invite me to their conference.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
extremist event because they're proud.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
We didn't put that on our name card, but it was, they were okay with foreign embassies that were accredited to their country showing up. And so I remember I was seated- You went as a US embassy employee. I was the only US embassy person dumb enough to go to this thing. And the guy sitting beside me was the Swiss charge. And very nice guy.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Chargé d'affaires. Number two guy. Number two guy in the Swiss embassy. And Switzerland, because of the Red Cross, had a fairly big presence there. And when this number starts with the opening chant, he and I had been sort of small talking, and he just said, I'll never forget this, I'm sorry, my dear boy, I hope you will understand I'm going to go away from you now.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I was like, that's all right, you know. And that was because, you know, it was like, you know, death to America was always the second chant after that. And again, the peculiar thing about it was despite all that hostility, you'd actually get Sudanese who are congenitally very friendly people, even their kind of extremist government.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
They'd come up and ask you afterwards, like during a break, are you having an okay time? Are you getting a cool drink? It's a little hot, even though it's December. I'm like, I'm good. So it was a very different world on terrorism. These groups could operate fairly openly. And, you know, there just wasn't a Western response like there was after 9-11.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Well, I think in the case of counterterrorism and the cooperation we got after 2001, I think the reason these countries cooperated is their own fear that radical Islamic terrorism was a threat to them as well. What I think disturbed them after 2003 wasn't that anybody lamented the Saddam Hussein regime going away. It's...
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And I know I've had friends of mine tell me, like, that can't possibly be a true story. I'm like, you can look it up on the internet, you know. I mean, not what I just said, but that they actually had a conference like this. You know, they had even Sunni and Shia groups at the same thing, same event.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
It was the most ecumenical group of bad guys you'd ever meet. Yeah.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So I think from what I've looked into and what I've talked to people who I think know something about this, that there's no foreign threat here. This isn't any kind of hostile action, but it absolutely points out some longer, some immediate problems that the United States has.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So what it appears to be is, you know, people were saying that I'm seeing what I believe to be a drone in the sky in the evening hours. Now, What it appears to have been going on is there was some fair amount of misidentification of, you know, manned aircraft or other things that people would report, hey, I think this is a drone.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
In other cases, you know, the Federal Aviation Administration, which controls the U.S. airspace, had in the last year, I believe, changed the rules that said you could now operate a drone at night under certain conditions if you put lights on it.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So it appears that at least some of what people were seeing were people who were lawfully accessing the airspace with their private drone, most of the time were probably hobbyist drones, that people are kind of seeing things up in the sky that they wouldn't have seen before.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
What was really peculiar about this was the sort of fumbled response from the national- Wait, so you're saying it was nothing? I believe, and I have no evidence that this was an Iranian mothership, that there were some kind of government, sensitive government operation or testing. I mean, the government has plenty of other places to test drones.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And if you're going to test out military drones doing sensitive missions, you're not going to bother to put lights on them. Well, of course. And in Ukraine, where they've been using literally a million drones a year, Nobody puts lights on their drones, so if you're a hostile actor, you don't do that. Of course not.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
But what this has pointed out is there's really not a unified plan in the United States.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I mean, some of them could be, you know, there are, in the commercial drone world, there are drones that are, you know, that people use for commercial purposes, mostly photography, video. I would say that I have become suspicious over the last couple of years in believing things that I see on videos. Just because so many of them are, you know, you don't know the Provence of them.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Here's the United States, the global remaining superpower, getting something so tragically wrong, where along the way, many of the countries that are allies of the United States were cautioning, are you really sure that you've got this story right?
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I personally believe, you know, that these were hobbyist drones or misidentification of other types of aircraft.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Planes, you know. Helicopters. You know, something else that's authorized to be there that's flying. But boy, the government could have really made this much easier on everybody if they just said, we're going to take three simple, easy steps to resolve this. You know, one will explain who's actually responsible for the airspace. because there really isn't an easy-to-understand plan on that, too.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
They could put up a few government drones of their own to go look and try to see who's up there. Third, they have plenty of detection gear that you could use in a civilian area to determine if there's actually a drone up there, because drones have to have a radio connection between the operator and the person flying it. Yeah. It's understandable and well-known what those frequencies are.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
That type of equipment is available to the government. They could have within a few days.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And it's available to civilians. And, you know, the government could have easily gotten, you know, made people, could have calmed the situation down.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I got the sense that they just didn't take people's concerns seriously. Again, but, you know, I work in the drone industry. Yes. And so, you know, from everybody I've talked to who I think is, you know, credible and thoughtful on this, none of them believed that this was some sort of nefarious thing. That it was a government operation.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
That it was like, you know, that they were looking, what was one of the stories I heard, that they were looking for, you know, lost nuclear materials in Jersey. Right. As a friend of mine said, how could you tell with everything else in Jersey? Fair question. But that's not really how you would look for lost nuclear material anyway.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And I think what happens in the absence of the government providing some kind of an answer, the void has to be filled by something.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I think what happened, what you start to see the glimmers of in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion is sort of that deference to American foreign policy begins to be questioned. And I think in the immediate years after 2003, Russia and China are still not peer rivals of the United States at that point. But the repercussions, the ripples that came out of the Iraq invasion
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I'll put it this way. I and other folks I know in that industry are all of a single mind that you could easily know what this was and you can make definitive statements about it with a little bit of investigation. I think they just didn't take the concern seriously. And when they did try to look into how to do this, they realized that they have a mishmash of authorities.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So just as a very simple one, people don't realize that there's no legal authority to knock a drone out of the sky. Outside of a very few narrow use cases that only the government has. And not all the government.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
What a nation of... And maybe it was because, you know, maybe that's why we had this story in New Jersey and not Texas. Maybe that's right. Fair point. I, you know, I... I remember when I understood that there really is no authority to knock a drone out of the sky.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And in fact, if someone was to shotgun somebody's drone out of the sky, the FAA on paper could actually charge you with literally interfering with an aircraft in flight, which is a rule that was designed to keep manned aircraft and crewed aircraft safe. but that law still covers, you know, anything that flies.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And so, you know, you are at some legal jeopardy, you know, if the government chose to prosecute a person for, you know, taking your AR-15 and, you know, knocking a drone out.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
That would be a very good shot. Maybe if they had the lights on, it makes it a little bit.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Yes, they could. There's currently very little defense in the United States against a deliberate use of drones. against any major target. And that's, you know, so we, you know, take a look at the situation in Ukraine where they've now literally, I think last year, Ukraine used 1.4 million drones.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
That's the population, that's almost the population I think of like San Antonio, Texas, one drone per person, but they used small attack drones, 1.4 million of them.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So those drones would be about as big as, you know, two big boilers that you might have in your house. Could carry, you know, two, maybe two, three pounds of explosives. Fly anywhere from 8 to 15, 20 kilometers. 11 to 15 miles, something like that, and be delivered precisely within inches of what you're trying to hit.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So if you were to look at some of these Ukraine war videos where people are literally driving drones through the hatch of a tank from miles away, that's absolutely happening right now. In addition to that, you know, people have developed drones that can fly a thousand kilometers and hit a target within inches.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Ukrainians have actually taken out very expensive, hard to replace Russian strategic bombers that were on an airfield that would be very hard to hit in flight. But they decided, you know what, we're not going to wait for that airplane to go into flight. We're going to hit it on the ground where it's extremely vulnerable. That could easily happen in the United States.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
There is no comprehensive protection against small drones. The U.S. Air Defense was created around the concept that we're trying to stop either Scud missile type threats or manned aircraft. I'll give you a fairly tight scenario. So the Patriot missile, which is America's preeminent air defense system that's deployed all over the world, it's got something like 36 missiles in it.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
in regards to American's alliance system and how countries view it, I think underwent another change, certainly by 2015, 16, with the rise of China's economy and the return of sort of a more confrontational Russian policy in Syria.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
It costs quite a bit of money to have one of those systems. You could quite literally overwhelm all of its defensive systems with 30 or 40 cheap drones that would cost you less than $100,000. And the operators of that defensive system would have to expend all of their missiles because they'd see this threat coming and they'd shoot at least one rocket per target. and then they're down to zero.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
That's sort of kind of what you've been seeing on the Red Sea recently.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
Between the US Navy and the Houthi militant movement, where the US is spending millions of dollars per missile strike to take out a $10,000 drone. You know, the math is unsustainable. And so the US, like most countries in the West, are very vulnerable to this issue right now.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
I mean, when air power is no longer tied to airfields and it doesn't need a pilot, you know, you've democratized air power in a way that's very discomforting to Americans.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
There are. So, you know, when you think about, you know, sort of the drones of the global war on terrorism, the Predators, the Reapers, these are proper aircraft. They're large, but they're also very easily seen on radar, and they're expensive. They can cost tens of millions of dollars to some of them. Some of the big surveillance drones are $100 million worth of electronics and equipment.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
But we've reached a world where I mean, again, back to the Ukrainians, they've been able to knock out $2 million, $3 million tanks with $1,000 drones because of the precision and the lack of defense that often the Russians have.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And then you add into, you know, robotic, what we call military robotics, drones at sea, where, you know, it's increasingly possible, and the Ukrainians have done this as well, to use a $250,000 drone boat to sink a 50 or 60 or $100 million ship. Ukrainians have physically been able to do that on the Black Sea.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
For a country like the United States, which really relies on a blue water Navy, we are very likely to face opponents who will be able to put up hundreds, if not thousands of drones at a time. that would easily overwhelm the defense systems we've got. So if you ever go online and look at, I would call something called Chinese drone shows.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
This is where they'll have a Chinese company at some event in China or around the world where they sort of rent out this capability. where they've got a dragon flying in the air. And maybe it's 4,000 drones or 5,000 drones that they've got up in the air that they are controlling all at one time in some of these bigger shows. 4,000 or 5,000 flying devices. I've seen them.
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What if they put a pound of explosive on each one of them and then fire them over a city? Or fired them at a sensitive military facility? That's well within...
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reality and it's only going to get more acute in the coming years and right now you know the united states is still despite some efforts you know that i'll give them some credit for on the biden administration to try to look at this we're woefully behind the ukraine has got a far more sophisticated drone program than the us does right now and so does russia i mean that just seems like criminal negligence
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You know, I think a lot of it was the global war on terrorism favored very large aircraft. And so small drones were not really a thing for the U.S. military.
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So at scale, small drones, no. So, I mean, they just were not, you know, they weren't battlefield significant for quite a period of time. But I'll, you know, a quick fact. You know, I looked this up, up until about two years ago, I think 18 months ago, no U.S. servicemen, no army, nobody in the army had been killed by an enemy airstrike since Korea.
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When that drone strike took place on the Jordanian-Syrian border against U.S. military base that I think killed four or six U.S. servicemen, it's the first time U.S. servicemen, army, Army folks had been killed by hostile air action in decades. 70 years. 70 years.
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So, I mean, the U.S., which has long relied on the fact that we completely dominate the airspace, any future Marine or Army operation will have to factor in that there are cheap, Large numbers of surveillance and strike aircraft that the enemy have access to that really change the calculus on how much risk we're taking.
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Absolutely. I mean, I would define tiny as probably, you know, something that can carry about a pound of explosives. You know, there's really two things you do with the drone. One, you use it for surveillance. Yes. So you know where the enemy is. Two, you use it as a weapon.
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So, certainly, many people said all of the points you made up to firing people, right? There were some people who said that, you know, there needs to be accountability, personal accountability to named individuals. The decision essentially was that we would hold the system accountable and they introduced a number of reforms.
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And absolutely, there's no technical reason that in the next five or seven years that an average military unit might carry 10 or 15 small drones on it. that don't cost an awful lot of money, but can go up and search out enemy vehicles, locations, fortifications, and strike them.
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I would also suggest that probably on a civilian level, and this is my speculation, within 10 to 15 years, your first engagement with law enforcement or the traffic stop will be with a drone.
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that instead of being pulled over by a cop who gets out and comes up and talks to you, that I suspect that it will be every cop car, every police car will actually have a small drone in it that they will be able to sort of send forward once they've got you at a stop.
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They'll have a camera in there, they'll have the ability to talk to you through it, and that will be your encounter with law enforcement. And you already see that in some ways with, you know, cops using small drones to go into tactical situations and take a look around before sending an officer in.
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Yeah, I mean, on this one, you know, I mean, I think you're talking about the, I think it was at the end of maybe the Bush administration where there was a lot of former mill kit. Of course. That was made available. I mean, yeah, I mean, in this case, you know, I was just thinking a civilian version of a police drone.
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I mean, your civil liberties question, though, is appropriate because what drones will allow someone to do Is it extremely low cost to put complete blanket surveillance over any city they want to?
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And on this, you know, when people talk about, you know, civil liberties concern, this is an actual one that I think technologically were already there. They could do it if they wanted to. Any country could. You could put a grid of drones over a major city and do two things. You could cover almost every square foot that's available from, you know, line of sight.
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And you could record and keep and store all that data for all time. There is no practical reason, technical barrier, to put a drone up over, let's say, you know, downtown Chicago and keep a drone on station there day in and day out for years and constantly build a body of video data
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on that neighborhood that could be stored for all time and would be available to the government or whoever has access to it. That's something that probably really does need to be addressed at some point.
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One of them was to create a director of national intelligence, which didn't exist before 9-11. I mean, 9-11 is actually when they created it, but it was empowered by what happened in 2003. So, you know, if you were looking for, you know, a single event where somebody could say, you know, these people are personally held accountable, that did not happen after the Iraq invasion.
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No, it's all right. Yeah, I mean, you can build a time machine in the sky with these systems. And you can store the data because it's super cheap to store data now. We're getting cheaper all the time. Well, you know, imagine, for example, you have a confirmation hearing 25 years from now. And for 15 of those 20 years... We've been able to keep drones up over a city.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
And we've got 15 years of data, you know, of people who were just going about their daily lives, who later go on to, you know, go into politics. Who has access to that data?
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That's why I never started.
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There's a few sort of lonely voices out there that are trying to get some attention on this issue. But there, and there's some, you know, some legal minds starting to think about it. But, you know, when you think about privacy and, you know, privacy in public places, which is what kind of we're talking about with drone data, the regulation is not there yet.
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You know, personally, I would see that, you know, at minimum, you would want some type of a warrant. You know, so even if you had drones up over, you know, an area, let's say a high crime area, At some point, you know, as you store that data and people want to reaccess it who are in government, they should get some type of a court order to allow them to go into that sort of data.
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I mean, you know, you can collect, you know, cell phone information, you know, obviously from the sky, but you can do that from the ground as well. I mean, frankly, you know, if you're a government, you know, say in any country, you know, if you want to, you can access your own telephone networks, your own country's telephone systems.
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The big privacy change on drones is simply being able to see privacy, you know, or... pattern of life information and people going about their daily lives. In all aspects, when they're out of doors, and you can tell when they go home, you can tell when they go to work, you can tell where they are, you can tell as they move around the city. And again, you can store all that data.
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When that happened, what I couldn't understand, and I still don't understand... You're so diplomatic.
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What I couldn't understand is, with all the drone tech available, why doesn't the Secret Service, for all of its protectees... put a small number of drones over all these events. You know, you can put it up hours earlier, you know, just to pick up pattern of life and determine, you know, are there things that are going on right now that would... Guys on roofs with rifles and stuff.
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You would think, yes. I mean, that's... Man with range finder and magnetometer. That, you know, that I have to say was among one of the more disturbing stories that I've ever watched unfold, you know, even as a private citizen. What was that? Systemic incompetence?
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I mean, I know less about his backstory, but... But we know nothing about him?
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Yep.
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They'd probably ask me to try harder if I came up with that answer.
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It would make you think that like, you know, there's really, this really can't be your best effort. Yeah, there's something going on.
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I mean, you know, like a lot of things that happen, you know, things get memory holed or forgotten about. Again, you know, I'm not a protective services guy, but just the... It was one of those stories that every piece of new information you get just makes it worse and worse.
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Yeah.
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Again, the way America— Yeah. So, I mean, again, the way it tends to work in an American bureaucracy is you get sort of collective punishment, if you will, or collective change.
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You would think you could get more information. You think you could know quite a bit about a person, especially a young person. You can, right? Yeah. I mean, I haven't looked into his background. No, not him specifically, but... Yes, there's anybody born since 2000, you know, certainly has, you know, with the rarest of exceptions. You know, they've got some sort of footprint online.
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You know, they've got a search history. They've got, you know, telephone usage. It's very hard to not leave what they call digital dust in your wake about who you are and where you've been and what you've done. I would think in a case where, you know, a significant crime happens, then it would be in the interest of the government to collect and make that known, you know,
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to somebody and in a case where they don't think there's an ongoing threat, then I would think that there is, you know, the bias should be to talk about what they know. That's what should happen.
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I don't have a great conclusion on that one.
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I would say that if I came back to my bosses and I was overseas, They would literally tell me, try harder. You can clearly get more information than this.
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A pleasure to be here.
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Thank you.
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Yes. Or, you know, you don't point out a particular individual. Right. Exactly.
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What is- To the war in 2001, actually. So it was 9-11. I'm sorry, right, to 9-11. I beg your pardon. What exactly is it? It's a good question. So, you know, it's changed over time.
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Bernard Hudson: New Orleans Attack, Cybertruck Explosion, CIA Corruption, & Tulsi Gabbard
So essentially the DNI, Director of National Intelligence, role is to make sure that there's a single accountable person to the president who is responsible for all of the production and all of the assessments that come out of the intel community. So there are 18 agencies, including the Director of National Intelligence as an office, not a person, inside the US intel community.
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before there was a DNI, the director of CIA had two hats. Hat one, director of the CIA. Hat two, director of something called Director of Central Intelligence, which is essentially the process by which the president and the senior leadership get something called the President's Daily Brief, which is called the PDB.
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It's a classified newspaper that speaks to issues of interest overseas to the American government. So the DNI was created, it was given the authority to manage that classified newspaper, if you want to call that. That was one of its duties. Duty two was you as the DNI are responsible for looking at how do we do collection across the board, agency by agency?
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Which agency is collecting what type of information? Is there duplication? Is that duplication necessary? It also has, you know, sort of a mundane but important role in determining budgets and managing not necessarily the execution of, not so much execution of budgets, but pulling a budget together for the IC and being accountable to talking to Congress about it.
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As it is lived, you know, there are issues that some people have and questions people have raised over the years about why does the DNI need to be as large as it does? It doesn't collect unique information. Unique information is collected by the 17 other agencies that are out there. But it collates it. It collates it.
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The one thing that some folks have talked about, a role that the DNI could do, but it hasn't to date, is a more aggressive assessment of how each of the agencies really contribute to the overall IC mission, essentially grading the homework.
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For points, I guess I could probably do it. So nine of them are within the Department of Defense. Nine? Nine of them. So Army Intelligence, Marine Corps Intelligence, Navy Intelligence, Air Force Intelligence. Don't forget the Air Force.
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You have the National Security Agency, which is part of DOD, the National Geospatial Agency, which is an agency that looks at exploiting imagery and making sense of pictures. If you think of the Cuba Missile Crisis, And the analysts who are looking at crates and boxes to determine, is that just a crate or is that a crate carrying a Russian missile?
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That's the modern version of where those people went. It's a very little known agency, but it actually has a really important mission. The National Reconnaissance Office, which manages America's satellite system, Then you have seven agencies that are part of other government cabinets level agencies. So for example, Treasury's Intel section, the Department of Energy's got an Intel section.