Bert Hubert

And the other thing I, of course, worry about, we have all these frameworks for website development, and these are also not improving. They're just changing. And one thing that I have a serious... Yeah, one thing I would love to build. If you look at any kind of software, it involves interactions.

And the other thing I, of course, worry about, we have all these frameworks for website development, and these are also not improving. They're just changing. And one thing that I have a serious... Yeah, one thing I would love to build. If you look at any kind of software, it involves interactions.

So you have to do things with the software and you might have to sign up for a website and then you get assets that are yours and you can configure these assets. And that is a whole workflow kind of system. And I would love for us to move into developing workflows. instead of developing web pages.

So you have to do things with the software and you might have to sign up for a website and then you get assets that are yours and you can configure these assets. And that is a whole workflow kind of system. And I would love for us to move into developing workflows. instead of developing web pages.

Because if you look at most interactive websites, they're still like, well, we built this page for you and that page is full of conditions. It says, well, you have to fill in this, you have to fill in that, and then you can press send and then it happens.

Because if you look at most interactive websites, they're still like, well, we built this page for you and that page is full of conditions. It says, well, you have to fill in this, you have to fill in that, and then you can press send and then it happens.

But I would love for us to move to a higher level description where you say, look, this is a website where you can sign up for college or whatever. And this is in a domain specific programming language where we say, look, you can only move from this state to that state once you have filled out the following things.

But I would love for us to move to a higher level description where you say, look, this is a website where you can sign up for college or whatever. And this is in a domain specific programming language where we say, look, you can only move from this state to that state once you have filled out the following things.

And if we'd ever developed that, we would get so much more robust signup flows because the system is just aware of what can happen and what cannot happen. And I would love one day for someone to develop this higher level way of interaction developing. And I'm sure that it has been done in some places. But I would love to have the kind of this as infrastructure.

And if we'd ever developed that, we would get so much more robust signup flows because the system is just aware of what can happen and what cannot happen. And I would love one day for someone to develop this higher level way of interaction developing. And I'm sure that it has been done in some places. But I would love to have the kind of this as infrastructure.

He would say no one has to write a transition handler anymore that decides if you filled in the right zip code or whatever. I just want a library that already knows what the zip code is as a primitive. But I don't see any of that happening. I see new iterations of ways of creating HTML pages.

He would say no one has to write a transition handler anymore that decides if you filled in the right zip code or whatever. I just want a library that already knows what the zip code is as a primitive. But I don't see any of that happening. I see new iterations of ways of creating HTML pages.

And every five years you get a new sort of wave of these new frameworks, but I don't see any of that high level stuff happening.

And every five years you get a new sort of wave of these new frameworks, but I don't see any of that high level stuff happening.

A spoke, yeah, it does the one thing. So I also do presentations and you can hire me as a speaker. And my speaker agency wrote a whole low-code solution system just to do the logistics of that. And it's sort of wonderful in a way because I'm really impressed that they managed to build that mostly themselves.

A spoke, yeah, it does the one thing. So I also do presentations and you can hire me as a speaker. And my speaker agency wrote a whole low-code solution system just to do the logistics of that. And it's sort of wonderful in a way because I'm really impressed that they managed to build that mostly themselves.

But on the other hand, every time I do something with the system, it takes like three seconds to go to the next page. And I'm wondering what is it doing in the background, but it's sort of, it is impressive because it is built on this concept where you click this stuff together without having to be a real programmer.

But on the other hand, every time I do something with the system, it takes like three seconds to go to the next page. And I'm wondering what is it doing in the background, but it's sort of, it is impressive because it is built on this concept where you click this stuff together without having to be a real programmer.

But the thing is, I would love to be a real programmer and have the primitives that make me do this safely and at a higher level.

But the thing is, I would love to be a real programmer and have the primitives that make me do this safely and at a higher level.