Beth
Appearances
Still My Baby
Welcome to the World, Mike Mike
Together we host Pantsuit Politics, a podcast where we bring grace, nuance, and perspective to the news. Because democracy deserves more than hot takes.
Still My Baby
They Shot Mike Mike
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That Was Us
Kate and Toby Get Married | "The Wedding" (S2E18)
Yeah? Do you think it is of benefit, of ultimate? I don't think it ever works out for anybody that plays the game.
That Was Us
Kate and Toby Get Married | "The Wedding" (S2E18)
They did have some coffee right before the end.
That Was Us
Kate and Toby Get Married | "The Wedding" (S2E18)
It started as a compliment and then it got too good. And then it got too weird.
That Was Us
Kate and Toby Get Married | "The Wedding" (S2E18)
And you basically hit him with, Miguel.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
Oh, I'm great. Better than I deserve. Outstanding. How are you?
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
Okay, my question is about MPI insurance, and do you think it would be worth it to get that if you're purchasing a new home?
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
No, not life insurance. It's mortgage protection insurance.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
Yeah, we are actually looking to buy a new home, and I've had several people tell me about that, so I was wondering your thoughts, if it's worth it or not.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
No. Well, yeah, kind of. My husband is self-employed, and I'm kind of concerned because He had a heart attack a couple years ago, and also he has problems with his back. So if he becomes disabled, I want to be able to know that I'm not going to be living on the street.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
Okay. I do have term life insurance on him. We got it through Zender.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
Okay, and what's his income? $300,000. About $300,000 a year.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
Probably about $75,000 right now. I'm a little bit behind on that. I got a late start.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
We do. We have probably about $120,000 in debt right now. But part of that will be paid off. It's mainly business loans.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
That I'm not sure. I feel like I don't know. I mean, I do try to do a budget and stay on a budget. And I do do the snowball and, you know.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
We're working on the y'all part. We do have contract labor that we do pay out.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
Part of it might ring true, and part of it you're out to lunch, to be honest.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
They are. I kind of, I pretty much know what's going through the business because I kind of, basically I do the book.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
So. Um, you know, I, I don't, I don't think he's hiding anything from me at all.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
I agree. Um, Not much. He just pays himself when he can. So that's one thing I'm working to do is to start paying ourselves first because it's been just paying, um, paying bills first.
The Ramsey Show
Be the Tortoise Not the Hare
I can't remember. I think between his and mine, it was like $100,000. 180, I think. That makes more sense.
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
Hi, good afternoon. I am thankful that
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
for god always providing even in the hard times um and then i'm also super thankful for you dave you can and the rest of the ramsey personalities and how you are helping people to see what the true american dream is which is to live debt free so that you can do what you guys do live like no one else but you can give like no one else very cool thank you how can we help today
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
Okay, I guess I'll give you the question first and then whatever details you'd like. I am trying to figure out whether we should sell our house soon, hold on to it for a couple more years, and then when we do sell it, do we rent or do we buy again? The reason is that we are including the mortgage, about $440,000 in debt,
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
Um, let's see, 47,000 is a HELOC and 14,700 in cars, 38,000 in credit cards and personal loans, and then 339,000 in the mortgage. Um, my whole salary, my husband makes 6,000 a month, um, after taxes. I am self-employed. I make about $4,400, but then all of my $4,400 is going towards paying down debt and for estimated taxes. So my whole salary is basically going right out the door.
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
Yes, all of that debt. I pay weekly on the various credit cards.
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
Well, I'm definitely a Ramsey addict, and my husband is kind of hands off the finances, and I have tried to get him involved. We've even tried to get him on the EveryDollar app. It didn't work out.
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
Yes. Yes, I pay down all the debt, I pay all the bills, and I actually have a side hustle.
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
Well, I can. That's the best thing in about 32 months, 30 months. I've calculated it out. I can get rid of everything but the mortgage. But here's the thing. If we were to move, I could wipe it all out and have a hundred thousand dollars to start funding our retirement because the clincher is that we have $0 for retirement.
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
My thought, though, was, and that's why I wanted your opinion.
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
Well, not homeless. We'd buy another place.
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
Well, but the mortgage would, if we put the $100,000 into a new place that's smaller and downsized, then the mortgage would be lower and we would have zero debt other than that. Do you like your house? I do, but it's a lot of work.
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
Yeah, and I think that's my biggest thing about why I'm still pushing towards selling is because I feel overwhelmed by the debt. Yeah, yeah.
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
Oh, I wish you could sit at the dinner table with him because I have tried every which way from Sunday, and I just don't know how to get him.
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
So I'm calling because I'm a babysit too. I make $96,000 a year and have about $25,000 left in debt, which I should be debt free by June. Good. I'm single. Thank you. I'm single and a full-time student doing my master's degree in social work and have a year and a half left of that. Master's degree in what? Master's in social work. Social work. Okay, cool. Good for you. It's going to be great.
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
I get to serve and help people. It's going to be awesome. So my question is, do I need to buy a house? I currently live in an apartment. Do I need to buy a house? And if so, when would I do that? And then also, since I am single, do I need to save the six months of emergency fund after I'm debt-free? Or can I do less?
The Ramsey Show
Are you Stuck in the Paycheck-to-Paycheck Grind?
Yeah, that's the thing I'm worried about. So I'm a veteran, and I've heard you say that the zero down payment is a bad idea. It is. So I shouldn't use my VA loan?
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
Hello? Hi. How are you? Hi. Hi. I'm okay. How about you? Thank you for taking my call. Yeah. How can we help? Well, I'm hoping that you can because I'm kind of at my wit's end. I've been married for almost 30 years, and I'm 62 years old, and so is my spouse. After we had children, sort of the division of labor, if you will, was I took care of everything but the finances.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
I took, you know, the household, the children, everything, and he was to pay the bills and has done that all of these years. Unfortunately, I've recently learned of some pretty catastrophic, devastating financial information that, well, he's had three huge job losses. They were all well-paying jobs. He did invest in the 401k. I'm not, I've never been sure about How much was in there?
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
I think it might have been maybe $170,000. It's gone. Each time he's had a job loss, it's been a two or three year gap in between because he refused to take anything other than an upper management position. And I've learned he's spent retirement savings.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
Well, I asked him and to be frank, he's got a lot of major management issues. I've always pressed to try to have a household budget. I was debt free before I met him. I had accumulated 30,000 in retirement myself. And anytime I would press it, I became fearful because he would get terribly angry.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
Yeah. Yeah. In my heart for sure. Um, but he just kept saying, quote, relax, quote, everything's fine. Um, don't nitpick me. We're fine. And he just kept saying, you wanted to do this budget and asking me these questions is showing you don't trust me. Well, Apparently, I had reason not to trust him. Of course.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
Well, not only that, but he had accrued as the financial manager of our family, he had accrued about $80,000 in credit card debt. And in 2016, we did a cash out refinance on the house to pay it off. He promised it would never, this would never happen again. And then in 2016, I became very ill. I wasn't expected to survive. I had no idea what's been going on since 2016 with our finances.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
And now I'm, praise the Lord, I'm recovered enough to work part time. But that's all. And then all this time, his most recent job loss was three years ago. And I finally convinced him to sell cars. So he's selling cars. How many cars do you have? I don't know. No, he's selling cars at a car lot.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
Yeah. He wouldn't get a job before, but now all of a sudden, six months ago, he said, okay, I'll sell cars.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
Yeah, we paid that off with the cash out refinance back in 2016. Okay, so then tell us... Then we now have $126,000 in debt, new debt, since the $80,000 was paid off.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
I've had to do a lot of digging here. I took some notes. Okay. There's a $77,000 in credit card debt. Is that in his name or your name? $30,000 is in mine, and $47,000 is in his. Okay, keep going. And then he got his sister to co-sign a HELOC on the house for $50,000, and now that's all gone too. So in total, it's...
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
Honestly, he was... not a very good money manager. And every time I wanted to have a budget, no one was, I want to call that out.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
Um, yeah, I think I wrote that down. Um, we paid $390,000. thousand ten years ago um now i think on zillow it's between eight hundred and eight hundred and fifty thousand and what do you owe on it still um oh that's a good question um i thought i wrote that down here i think we owe because of the cash out refinance and the heloc um
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
Getting the truck listed and putting that up for sale.
The Ramsey Show
Don’t Let Toxic Money Situations Keep You Trapped
It's not what I want to do, but it's not always what I want to do. Very few people are sitting on one variable that could change everything.
The Ramsey Show
Break the Cycle of Financial Self-Sabotage
Oh, 100%. And I think what has recently stopped, and this is... tell me if you need me to stop, but you know, I always, always contribute to my 401k. Now it's like, well, I can only do that. That's on pause. My husband does it. He has his 401k. It's like certain things have stopped. Right. But we have financially, but like put that security in.
The Ramsey Show
Break the Cycle of Financial Self-Sabotage
So, you know, we can hold off on that for a little bit.
The Ramsey Show
Break the Cycle of Financial Self-Sabotage
Well, thank you for taking my call. So I'll cut to the chase. I'm a licensed realtor. I'm working towards my broker's license. I'm in class now, but I have chosen this past year to stay at home with our son, and I'm feeling some regret about staying home, and I'm struggling with how to be content in that decision.
The Ramsey Show
Break the Cycle of Financial Self-Sabotage
How can I make peace with this choice and still pursue my career goals without feeling like I'm not contributing enough financially? Hmm.
The Ramsey Show
Break the Cycle of Financial Self-Sabotage
I've been in the mental health field since I graduated college and always had that job as director role and had a consistent paycheck. real estate came into my life about nine years ago and that was always bonus. Um, so that was always on the side. And when I eventually have a family, I can focus on that.
The Ramsey Show
Break the Cycle of Financial Self-Sabotage
And, you know, and so only type as a side hustle, my husband's and mortgages, it's been a rollercoaster last couple of years, but with the hustles, um, you know, side hustles and so forth, we've saved some money and, and, you know, my son's only two. Uh, we both agreed I can, um, you know, continue to focus on real estate and stay at home. So I guess that's been a challenge for me.
The Ramsey Show
Break the Cycle of Financial Self-Sabotage
I'm always on the go, going to work. And so I just, I'm having a hard time with that. Although it's a very, it's a wonderful thing. I'm still technically working, but I guess that's just not clicking, you know, for me, if that makes sense.
The Ramsey Show
Break the Cycle of Financial Self-Sabotage
It makes total sense. There's never a moment where I'm sitting.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
There are a lot of rumors about in the way that like every single situation in Hollywood just turns into like a massive pile of rumors about whatever is going on. I think the most interesting thing about this case from like a public perspective is honestly, Bethany Frankel had a TikTok about it.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
she does she was like it is very there are two different cases going on there is the case the lawyers are fighting sure there's the and there's the case the publicists are fighting in the public opinion i think public opinion is really what's like the core of this as far as i don't know battle is going to go one way but justin's lawyer is doing every talk show imaginable you know and his also client bethany is out there like
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
The PR narrative of this case is that Justin's
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
team is claiming that by the new york times publishing this lawsuit that blake is in turn like enacting a smear a public smear campaign against him so it's literally just him accusing her of doing the exact same thing she did like he did to her he's flipping it it just like kind of doesn't make any sense i guess my my question would be ryan is a billionaire blake is i don't think
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
A lot of money and power and influence.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah, they couldn't drop any water on the fires last night because they literally couldn't get any planes up because of the wind.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And then you publish a book about it.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And I imagine she is doing what feels right to her.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah. It makes me feel weird.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
that's the real his brother also spoke out do we have that quote twitch's brother dre shared courtney's post to his instagram story adding no lies told okay so he just confirmed courtney's message he also reposted an instagram story by katie paulson who called allison quote a disgrace and despicable human to do this to a grieving family so that comes from twitch's brother
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah, and the book just came. It just, it feels like.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
The most cynical view of it is that she's using her husband's suicide and addiction to sell her book.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I have never heard of her before today.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
If my mom said she did that, I would have been like, hell yeah, put that on my college tuition.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
That's like the same thing as, let's say, they're advertising for maternity clothes and one of the models is a pregnant woman because she's modeling maternity clothes. And you're like, how dare you do that? You're exploiting your baby bump. You don't want to see an actual pregnant woman modeling these clothes. Yeah. Like, I would much rather know that the pregnancy test works.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Would you rather them be electronic?
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
You're like, is it?
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And guess what? We're talking about it. The ad's working. The ad's working.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
He said, I stand with that oil and vinegar and seasoning mix.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
no she hasn't said anything she hasn't been like my bad got a little overheated a little overreacted you know i don't know i my take on this is if jennifer aiden cannot do housewives duties because of beef with jersey mike's employees jen shaw should never be allowed on television again okay i will say jennifer aiden is the only new jersey housewife making headlines right now besides well melissa gorga is selling sprinkle cookies and jennifer is making headlines for being a housewife okay
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Like, I think it's also great that she like gave her the gift card, obviously knowing that she would want food. And then it was like, it's kind of her way of being like, you get whatever you want from the grocery store, you know?
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
You're so hungry.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah, you really don't have to do this. You really don't.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I think he can be allowed to like have his own sobriety journey and like be in people are like more than welcome to like support him in his sobriety. But that does not change what he did and what he has not owned up to in that regard. You know, like both of those things are prevalent.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
What's the same thing with like, so like Armie Hammer has been coming back into the news recently doing interviews and claiming that he's like turning down roles. Started a podcast. He started a podcast.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
He's been like on other, I forget exactly whose podcast he was on, but he's been doing more public appearances and his, the kind of narrative that he's like spinning is that, oh my God, it's so crazy that people thought I was a cannibal. I wasn't actually a cannibal.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
actually a cannibal like that's that's crazy that's so funny i would never do that but then the issue was never that he was a cannibal it was that he was abusive to girlfriends so it's like we're spinning that under the rug and he probably is going to make a return because he already is and so it's like it's just this infuriating thing where so many men public men who like do these awful things to women are just allowed to continue because they can like spin the narrative of like
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
what other ever hot button issue they have that's going on that they're struggling with and then just sweep the rest of it under the rug because they have been getting away with this for years.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
But I don't like her vibe. Yeah. Well, so in Southern Charm news, Craig has addressed his split with Paige.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Oh, not the squad. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
It is. My one thing about this video is he is basically being like, yeah, Paige broke up with me, and I didn't know that that was going to happen.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Nick Vile. Grumpy. Grumpy.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
That is a joke. Is she down for blondes? What? Is she down for blondes? Kaya Gerber? No, Paige. Oh. Who knows?
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Grats, Hugh and Sutton. Sutton Foster. Yeah.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Over water fast.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
You're not? Broadway royalty.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Extremely talented woman. No, she's in... I have no doubt.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
She also had her own TV show. Tony Award winning.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Or do you think comedian? No, I don't think she'll go comedian. Because male comedian, he would be too funny. He would like think he was funnier than her.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Hangry after days long water fast by his choice.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
On Patreon. On Fubi. On YouTube.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Vampires?
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I do have some questions for that man. One, how do you feel to look like me, bitch? That's actually it.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah, for sure.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I've never had a massage.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Not for any particular reason. I just never have.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I could probably use one. You know how often the back of my neck goes numb when I'm editing?
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah, my mom told me never to go to a chiropractor. We should hire masseuses. What's the plural for masseuse?
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
My mom's like, I'm a nurse, trust me. And then she's like, chiropractors will just fuck up your back and then you have to keep going back.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Especially in Florida.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I think doctors and chiropractors have beef. They do.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I love to crack.
The Viall Files
E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I don't know if you heard that in the mic.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
It's vibe football time. So do you guys know about the wild card? Absolutely not. Playoff edition. Okay. So for anyone confused, the wild card.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
The wild card round of the playoffs is basically the girls, and by girls I mean grown men's, chance to bring the receipt, the proof, the timeline, fucking everything to the table in order to be greenlit into the next season of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Or in football's case, the divisional playoffs.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yes. So...
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
No.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Right now, the wild card are the teams that are kind of not... Let's say, theoretically, Heather Gay is kind of phoning in the season. And she has one chance to get renewed. And this is her chance to get renewed.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
To get closer for like center diamond.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yes. This is the what about me moment.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah, I'm so confused now. What's happening? Okay, so it's the wild card. They're basically just trying to get into the playoffs.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
But it's the wild card division of the playoffs. It's like the teams that are on the cutting block, on the chopping block of the playoffs. Whatever. Anyway, so this week we're talking about the Washington Commanders versus the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And the Commanders are the Dorit Kemsley of the NFL. in that they have had a truly magical season in a way that no one thought was possible.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
They did. And she has a new accent, so... They're more alike in many, many ways. In their last game against the Cowboys, they were down three with six seconds left in the game, and their backup quarterback, Marcus Mariota, threw a game-winning touchdown in a shock heard around the world. This is what I like to call the smoking a cigarette in the car while driving through Bel Air gang.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Marcus Mariota, a veteran, reminded the team that he is chic as a wind chime, and he's not going anywhere.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yes. And then the Buccaneers are the expected winner of the game with a home field advantage. And Baker Mayfield, their quarterback, is their reason why. He is the Angie Katsanevas of the NFL. passed around, disrespected, looked over, drinks poured on his head, told that he can leave many teams.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
But now he is back in a big way, securing his position as center snowflake, or in his case, the NFC South division champion. So here's the question. Will Baker and the Bucks have their high body count hair moment? Or will the commanders bring the fashion, fashion, fashion? Only time will tell, and only vibes can decide.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
um the bucks are doing i mean baker mayfield and the bucks are doing like really good they're both doing pretty good yeah i heard angie k so i'm going i'm gonna go with three always you're gonna go with three whoa yeah and the commanders and vibes want to go with the box we have to okay i'm from florida yeah okay are they florida Tampa Bay.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah. Great. They don't have Tom Brady on their team anymore.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah. It's like a peninsula.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
But just vibes are going Bucs. Stats are going Commanders.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
All right.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I can't talk with my allegiance to Meredith, so I'm going to let you go.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I think that Kesha didn't perform because NBC didn't want to pay Kesha for the rights to use one of her songs.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
But who's more rich?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
They could do a crappy leg.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I will say it's a violation of girl code, but I also don't think that Kyle and PK have anything going on.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
But it is a complete violation of girl code.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I've started full relationships based off of sending memes.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Your husband is sending your ex-best friend memes.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I think they're also lost in the sauce of, like, perception show versus reality at this point.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Question.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
That's exactly my experience in the Viper Room. I literally, so I walk up to the Viper Room. My best friend's like co-worker's boyfriend's band is playing. So we know it's not going to be good. And so we go, the lady, I have like a boyfriend.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
The coworker was wonderful that, that I met that night. She was great. But so we go in, the lady like asked me about my bag and she was like, is there anything in your bag? And I was like, no. And she was like, I don't actually care what's in your bag. Just like, If there's anything scary in there, don't open it inside, just open it outside. And I was like, okay.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And I like literally had just reached in there to grab my ID and she goes, I don't need to see anything in there. This woman was either like 12 or 90. I had no way of knowing. So we go into the Viper Room.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And then the band that was playing, it was like the most like disgusting, like Led Zeppelin wannabe band in the entire world. They all like took their shirts off at one point. The lead singer who was the boyfriend had like the worst voice I've ever heard in my life. Props to them for going up.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
But then they said they had previously gotten kicked out of the whiskey a go-go for being too risque, which is false. But they were like, yeah, we can take our shirts off here, but they wouldn't let us at the whiskey because it was too risky.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
You guys got kicked out of the whiskey for being not safe for work. The Whiskey A Go-Go. One of the most famous rock clubs in Los Angeles.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah. Anyway, that's my experience with the Viper Room. Well, Garcelle made out with Johnny Depp in the Viper Room. River Phoenix also died there.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
That's where River Phoenix died, when Johnny Depp owned it. Yeah, that's the Viper Room.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Good or bad. Hey, you in the comments, let us know what you think about Nick's fast.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Did you call Sutton the real Sutton Shady, please stand up?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Is this like an improv lesson in therapy?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Is there crafty? What's going on?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
hmm still pushing that we talked about it on the after show but I feel like that's not it's do you know how infuriating it is for my cat to be named George Michael for James Kennedy to be George Michael's godson and for boy George to be PK's boss so Dorit Dorit did say on the after show we stand in in exactly the same place we were at in the beginning ask me in another six months hopefully I'll have a better answer work needs to be done okay
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
His entire writing staff under the bus and just expected the room to be with him. It's like this.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
You have to order them in advance.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Oh, reverse. JT, TJ. JT, TJ.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
You're hyphenate?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah, and it's phonetic.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
That's crazy.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah. Well, Lutheran. Close. But my mom was raised Catholic. Oh, there you go. Yeah.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
The first season is insane.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Like they've outgrown the drama of the show.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Right. I got to say that like Nikki did great, but I do have to say CBS could maybe do a little bit better job on the stream next year. That's all.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
And then also instead of showing clips from like the actual work that they did that got nominated, they decided to do like live location tags of everyone. Like I don't need to know where they're like air tagging.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I just think NBC knows how to have a live event and CBS. Sorry. Superior.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
That's just NBC. You know where to find me.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
My movie got taken away from me and I had to go to the basement.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I will say I keep voice notes.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Are you trying to say that he believes that this is true?
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
I think a lot of the times when in situations like these, both parties completely believe they're the narrative that they're spinning. And the truth often usually lies somewhere in the middle. Obviously, every single situation is different, but reality versus perspective are two different things. And I think his perspective to him is absolutely correct.
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E865 - Los Angeles Fires, Allison Holker Backlash, Baldoni’s ‘Leaked’ Voice Note, RHOBH & Bravo Predictions
Yeah.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
I'm Beth. I'm 24. And should I be concerned that my boyfriend still has his ex's engagement ring?
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
He hasn't found the right time to get rid of it, supposedly.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
He was dating a girl for eight years, and they broke up in like 2020, I believe. Then we started dating three years ago, and he still has the ring. That's a little much.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
Well, that's what I thought. I was like, wouldn't you sell it so that you can get money for a ring for me?
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
I've brought it up multiple times, and he keeps saying that he will get rid of it. But it's been over a year since I found it, and he still hasn't gotten rid of it.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
And it's still the same thing that I will soon, soon. I will. And then he just, it's still here.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
We've definitely talked about it. We talk about it a lot, but it's gotten to the point where he like, won't talk about it now. Cause I'm asking for a timeline and he's like, he will stop talking about engagement altogether.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
He'll say, stop snooping. I'm like, just get rid of it. And I wouldn't find it.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
The way I found it, he told me about it when we first started dating. By the way, he never gave this ring to his ex-girlfriend. She didn't even know he had it.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
No, they never got engaged. but I found it when we first moved in to our house like two years ago. And at the time I thought it was for me. And I was like, Oh God, no, not yet. Like we just started moving in together. So I brought it up to him and he was like, yeah, that's actually from my previous relationship. And I was like, okay, cool. Can you get rid of it?
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
Cause it's like, why do you still hold onto it? It's been years. And he said he would soon. And then it's still two years later, still here.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
It's not true. He just hasn't found the right time to get rid of it.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
I don't know if it's like, if that's just his excuse though. Cause I feel like he just doesn't want, either he doesn't want to get rid of it or he doesn't want me to know that he gets rid of it. Cause he has the mentality that if I know that he gets rid of it, I think that I'm going to get a ring. If that makes sense.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
It's just hard because he keeps giving me a timeline. Yeah. but it always changes. So we'll talk about it and be like, oh yeah, we can get married next year. And then if we talk about it again, it's like, oh, three years.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
I want family and all of that. And I've always wanted to have it young, just like everyone else. Whenever you're younger, you think at 26, all right, I'm going to have like three kids and all of that. So that's what I imagined for myself.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
I was going to say, is it acceptable for me to have a timeline? Like he thinks that that's not normal. Like girls. I think they're useless.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
Okay. Yeah, that's pretty much what he says, too.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
For the most part, it's gotten to that point. Like we always used to have good conversations about it. Like he wants the same things that I do. And we were around this, like what age we want to have kids and all of that. And,
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
How do you suggest we talk about something like that? Like,
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
We've had that conversation before. When I first found it, it was a normal conversation. Okay, I understand why you still have it, but do you plan on getting rid of it? He goes, yes, I'll get rid of it soon. Two years later, he still has it.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
I do, for the most part. Somewhat. I don't know.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
No, I'm not. I mean, it doesn't help that everyone around us is married, engaged, kids.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
I don't know. Like we just, we had a conversation the other day about it and he goes, even if I wanted to set a proposed to you next week and you bringing it up makes me not want to do it. I'm like, I just need something. I need you to tell me, give me a little bit of when it could happen. I'm not telling you to tell me the exact day and month, but like, is it this year?
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
Well, now that the year is almost over, but like Is it next year?
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
So he actually told me he bought it for the wrong reasons, that he thought it was going to help his relationship.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
He definitely does get frustrated with me for... So bring it up all the time.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
I definitely need to be a little more empathetic about the whole situation he went through, which I was at first.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
What if I have to wait eight years for him to finally be like, well, again, I don't know.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
Not talk about it and show them love. I think I got it. Yeah.
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E855 Ask Nick - His Ex-Engagement Ring
I will appreciate all the advice and I will definitely make it a safe space for him to talk to me about it.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Hi, my name is Beth. I'm 29 years old and I kissed my guy best friend on New Year's Eve. And now I have feelings for him.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Honestly, yeah. It wasn't just a kiss. We did hook up.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So he was out of town and debating whether or not to come back in town. And he ended up coming back in town and he set up a plan for a group of friends and invited me to come along. Mostly just his friends and then invited me to come along.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. And so then we, I kind of had it in the back of my head knowing it was New Year's and knowing that it was mostly other couples that something might happen, but we had never crossed that line before.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. And it's, we were the only two people who were single.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. So we have been friends for almost seven years.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And we started out working together and then we don't work together anymore, but we lived in different cities for most of our friendship, like totally across the country. And then a couple of years ago, he moved to the city that I live in. Okay.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And so a couple of years ago, we started just hanging out more one-on-one, just mostly because he didn't know a lot of people in the new city that he moved to. And we just got closer over the last couple of years. But we both did not ever let it get to a point where we were... getting closer or where we would put ourselves in a position where it might cross a line.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Honestly, like it hadn't really ever gotten closer other than like people around us saying things like, are you sure you guys don't like each other? And like, kind of like doing that thing that people do when they see two people who they think could be together. But both of us would, we're just always like, no, like we're just friends. We're just friends.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
It wasn't. So he's not my typical physical type, not typically the kind of person that I go after. So that's part of it that I just sort of like never really went there in my head. I think part of it's also that I was not really taking...
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
dating very seriously kind of just like with a lot of fuck boys and that kind of thing and just whatever for a while until the last couple years when I've gotten a little bit older honestly like I just don't think I ever let myself go there mentally like if we ever like I ever started to kind of like think about it because of course I thought about it like I'm not going to deny that I didn't think about it but
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
We just never let it go there. Never let it even consider it as an option. And I didn't eat it either.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So then like right before midnight, I went over and sat down next to him and he like immediately put his hand on my leg and I was like, okay, yeah, it's on. And then we kissed at midnight and then like we're kind of making out throughout the rest of the night, ended up going home together and sleeping together.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
We were drunk and we were talking about it. And we even like had a conversation while we were like kind of in between like making out and partying and whatnot was like, is this a good idea? I don't know. This might not be a good idea. We probably shouldn't do this more than once if it's not going to go somewhere.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So it was kind of like both of us saying like, is this a good idea? I don't know. But then I specifically made the point. I was like, I can't do this. Like, we can't just like start having casual sex. Otherwise I'm going to, I'm going to get feelings. So like, we can't do this more than once.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I mean, it kind of already felt like it was like going to happen that night. So I sort of was like, well, it's just a weird boundary to set.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
A couple of days after we were hanging out like normal and just like having a normal conversation. And he mentioned and started kind of like talking about his ex. And kind of like talking to me about his ex, which I thought was really odd.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
He claims not. But the way that he was reacting was didn't seem like it. He was like worried about one of his other friends being interested in hooking up with his ex. And so he was talking to me about that situation.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. And so I didn't like that. And I, but I just kind of like brush it off. I just was like, I gave him some advice on like what I thought he should do about it. And then we, we kind of just like moved on to different conversation. And then at the end of that, I was like, I need to say something. And so as we were kind of leaving, I was like, I don't know.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I think that there might be something worth exploring here. And he, he, essentially was like, I don't know. I don't want to get your hopes up, but I just don't know. And I was like, all right, well, I'm not going to push it any further than that. But I honestly do believe that there's something that could be really good there.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
It was really fun. Yeah. And that was like, basically what I said to him when we, when I was like, I don't know, I think that there might be something worth exploring here. I, I said like the other night was really fun. And he also was like, yeah, it was, it was really fun. Um, I was like, it's kind of a shame to like, never do that again to like not happen.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
That was kind of when he was like, well, I don't know. I just like, I'm not sure. I don't want to like get your hopes up, whatever, which feels really like a condescending thing to say to me.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I got out of the car and I was like, all right, I'll see you later.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
So then if I commit to it, because like I do genuinely think if we like tried it out, it would work. So then how do I make him come to his senses about it?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Okay. Well, I mean, I am confident in it. It was good. It was very good.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
When you say it like that, it sounds crazy, but...
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Cause like, I don't know how else to do it besides like, cause like I've already said where I stand and that I think that there's something worth exploring. And he said that he, you know, he was like kind of wishy-washy about it, which I basically just like kind of took as like, a no, which to your point was probably because he's like, well, why would I change like a good thing?
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
I mean, I probably see him two or three times a week. I would say like we're each other's usual first call on like,
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
weekend nights if we want to do something or like if we're planning something if we want people to join like we're usually each other's first call like i feel like i'm very much a part like a huge part of his life and like he even like said that like when we were drunk that night he's like i don't like i wouldn't be able to like lose you and so like don't want to like mess this up hence why like should we even do this this is a strong chance that like yeah you could fall for you for sure yeah for sure
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
but he has to like let himself go there and he's not doing.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Okay. Well, I got the impression that he liked it a lot.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And so just have to like, let that kind of situation actually play out and,
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. But it's going skiing for the day. So it's not like going out and getting drunk at night kind of thing. There's not a direct path to sex.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Uh, probably. Yeah. You mean like for my birthday? Yeah. I mean, like I could see a situation where we just end up going to dinner, but like for me to tell him to take me to dinner, that would be a little odd.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Okay. That is so not the answer I was expecting.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. Well, to throw a little bit of a curveball into the situation, he is potentially going to have to get back surgery soon. And if he does do that, he's going to move back home, which is across the country, for at least a period of time. And so I don't know if you think that that is influencing his hesitancy or his thought process.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Cause he's also like on a lot of like pain meds and stuff that he not in a great physical spot, but generally, I mean, that's, this is a huge generalization, but it's probably not the reason.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Exactly. They're not going to think of the things that aren't going to. So, all right. So I just have to make him be obsessed with having sex with me. And then tell him to stop.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Generally, yeah. I've never asked, but yeah.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. I will say like, so he, his most recent ex, he dated like, I don't know, four months ago and it wasn't overly serious, but we didn't change our dynamic very much. And so, but I don't think, I think that was more because he didn't like her very much.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Especially now that we've hooked up. I don't think that. It would be okay. Yes.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. Be the chill, cool friend. Still continue to hang out like we always have.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Also other dating. Yes. That was the other thing that I was talking to a friend about is like, do I like try to have another guy come to my birthday or like, don't be, don't be, don't be like gamey like that, but just make sure you're dating and don't hide it.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
All right. That makes a lot of sense. So, and then it's just a matter of like, okay, like at what point do I flip that switch and say like, listen, I can't,
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
okay and then when i say that like like how natalie said it like basically i think we could be great
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
That's where I feel like I'm, I've started a good foundation for that because like the other day I did say like, I don't know. I think there's something here. And then I was, when he was like, Oh, I don't know. I just was like, all right, well I'm see you later. Like I just like left. Cause it was like time to leave. Like we were, I was already leaving.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
And it's like, I don't want to like be in a position where I feel like I'm having to convince somebody to be with me. But at the same time, like when, like, I feel pretty confident about this. Like, we've been friends for seven years. We now realize that like, we also have good sexual chemistry.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Like we, like, I don't want to do anything different than we've been doing besides just add in more sex.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
That's what I'm hoping. That's what I'm hoping.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. We'll see how that plays.
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E881 Ask Nick - My Body or My Boyfriend?
All right. That at least gives me like some sort of a guideline. Cause I've also like had, uh, guy friends that I've slept with for like over two years. So I don't want to get into that situation.