Beth Karas

I remember covering a case in Springfield, Missouri years ago where a father, a school teacher, a man was accused of killing his wife and his two children. One was a a toddler and the other one, maybe four or something. I mean, bashed in his son's head, strangled the baby with the cord from the,

drapes or blinds or something, strangled, and then bludgeoned mom and turned up the heat on the waterbed, positioned her body face down so she decomposed really fast, accelerated the decomposition because he turned up the heat. And then he drove in the night. These were the allegations. He drove in the night back to a conference where he had been. He had been at a teacher's conference.

drapes or blinds or something, strangled, and then bludgeoned mom and turned up the heat on the waterbed, positioned her body face down so she decomposed really fast, accelerated the decomposition because he turned up the heat. And then he drove in the night. These were the allegations. He drove in the night back to a conference where he had been. He had been at a teacher's conference.

drapes or blinds or something, strangled, and then bludgeoned mom and turned up the heat on the waterbed, positioned her body face down so she decomposed really fast, accelerated the decomposition because he turned up the heat. And then he drove in the night. These were the allegations. He drove in the night back to a conference where he had been. He had been at a teacher's conference.

And he was acquitted. and continued to live in this Springfield, Missouri community. I don't know where he is today, John Feeney, but that's what he was accused of doing. And the jurors told me later, we think he probably did it, but we just couldn't place him in Springfield. The prosecution had a witness to say, oh, he stopped to get gas. And it turns out that that worker who saw him in the car

And he was acquitted. and continued to live in this Springfield, Missouri community. I don't know where he is today, John Feeney, but that's what he was accused of doing. And the jurors told me later, we think he probably did it, but we just couldn't place him in Springfield. The prosecution had a witness to say, oh, he stopped to get gas. And it turns out that that worker who saw him in the car

And he was acquitted. and continued to live in this Springfield, Missouri community. I don't know where he is today, John Feeney, but that's what he was accused of doing. And the jurors told me later, we think he probably did it, but we just couldn't place him in Springfield. The prosecution had a witness to say, oh, he stopped to get gas. And it turns out that that worker who saw him in the car

Wasn't working that night. He was working a different night. So he was wrong about the night. And that was the evidence that had placed him in. That was the linchpin of the case that had placed him in Springfield. They couldn't place him there. So the jurors like there's just reasonable doubt. We just don't know if he actually drove back.

Wasn't working that night. He was working a different night. So he was wrong about the night. And that was the evidence that had placed him in. That was the linchpin of the case that had placed him in Springfield. They couldn't place him there. So the jurors like there's just reasonable doubt. We just don't know if he actually drove back.

Wasn't working that night. He was working a different night. So he was wrong about the night. And that was the evidence that had placed him in. That was the linchpin of the case that had placed him in Springfield. They couldn't place him there. So the jurors like there's just reasonable doubt. We just don't know if he actually drove back.

So when you say that a juror's job is to give the verdict with their conscience, so their conscience is telling them that they did it, that he did it.

So when you say that a juror's job is to give the verdict with their conscience, so their conscience is telling them that they did it, that he did it.

So when you say that a juror's job is to give the verdict with their conscience, so their conscience is telling them that they did it, that he did it.

Yeah, but the evidence, it just wasn't there. That's true. Good. But it has to be both. Yeah, that's a very good question because it sounds like I'm talking on both sides of my mouth, but I'm not. It has to be the evidence. So evidence plus using your conscience. Yeah, you've got to vote with your conscience on what you believe the evidence shows you.

Yeah, but the evidence, it just wasn't there. That's true. Good. But it has to be both. Yeah, that's a very good question because it sounds like I'm talking on both sides of my mouth, but I'm not. It has to be the evidence. So evidence plus using your conscience. Yeah, you've got to vote with your conscience on what you believe the evidence shows you.

Yeah, but the evidence, it just wasn't there. That's true. Good. But it has to be both. Yeah, that's a very good question because it sounds like I'm talking on both sides of my mouth, but I'm not. It has to be the evidence. So evidence plus using your conscience. Yeah, you've got to vote with your conscience on what you believe the evidence shows you.

But these jurors, enough of them believe, but we can't place him. Once they learned later, late in the trial, that that worker actually wasn't working on the night of the murders, they're like, oh my gosh, we think he probably did it, but we can't place him here.

But these jurors, enough of them believe, but we can't place him. Once they learned later, late in the trial, that that worker actually wasn't working on the night of the murders, they're like, oh my gosh, we think he probably did it, but we can't place him here.

But these jurors, enough of them believe, but we can't place him. Once they learned later, late in the trial, that that worker actually wasn't working on the night of the murders, they're like, oh my gosh, we think he probably did it, but we can't place him here.

There's not enough evidence. Do you think the same happened for the Casey Anthony trial? They couldn't place Casey?