Beth Lyons

And Pete said, yes.

Now, I think the sort of the backstory of both organizations is also interesting because OpenAI was open, right?

And then went toward profit, but didn't, I think, make...

overt promises or Zuckerberg would say it wasn't a promise.

We never promised we'd do it forever, but didn't start.

It doesn't have the same kind of we committed that Lama would be open source as we went through and developed it.

And then in the middle said, no, we're not going to make this one open source.

For whatever reasons, right?

I mean, that may have been a wise decision for business or safety or like we could have that conversation.

But literally, it was open source.

That was the plan.

And then it wasn't.

And that's a very recent meta story.

And it isn't a very recent open AI story.

I'm not, I'm not suggesting that this is a one-off, but no interest, even though the fact that it's a pattern with many of the labs that are developing models that may affect everything in our future.

So I just want to put a tiny cherry on the top of that statement, because in addition to all of the things that Andy said about the vision and the environment and how great that is, he also prefers Codex over OpenClaw.

Sorry, over Opus.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Everybody starts with, Oh, now I don't know what's happening.