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There's actually a paper published in 2013, I want to say the first author is Zirinov.

So they surveyed computational engineered systems level computation energy consumption.

And they tried to understand whether the universe is using its own or life is using its full capacity of energy consumption.

And whether if different planets in the universe had life, the capacity would increase or decrease.

Does life operate at its energy maximum?

And they think that it does, that it actually operates at an efficiency that is far more above and beyond any computational system.

That you tell me.

That's why I dropped the citation.

I found the citation.

It's quite an interesting paper.

It's a bit, you know, it's a... Obviously, you can only calculate and infer these things.

I think they look at the theoretical optimum for electronic devices and then try to understand where life falls on this and life is certainly more efficient.

Yeah.

I don't know.

It depends on what you are defining it for.

If you're defining it for finding different life forms, then it probably needs to have some quantification in it so that you can...

use it in in whatever the mission that you're operating you mean like it's not binary it's uh this is like a seven out of ten uh on uh lifelike lifeless i don't know i i don't i don't think that defining is that essential i think it's a good exercise but i'm not sure if the if we need to

a universally defined way of understanding life.

Because the definition itself seems to be ever evolving anyway, right?

We have the NASA's definition.