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Bhaskar Sunkara

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

They were the leading member of government.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

Then a few different coalition partners would shift.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

Sometimes they were with the agrarians.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

Sometimes they were with the communists briefly, but they ruled uninterrupted and they lost an election in 1976 and they just left power.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

Then they got back into power in the 80s.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

So in other words, like,

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

They created a democratic system, of course, with mass support of working class people.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

Then they truly honored the system because when they lost power, they lost power.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

They left power.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

There's plenty of cases like that across Europe and the world and in other countries like Korea and elsewhere where the workers' movements, the most militant, the most class-centric workers, South Africa is the same way, created democratic systems.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

Now, Russia, I think a lot of what happened had to do with the fact that it was never a democratic country.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

It was ruled by a party.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

And the party itself was very easy to shift from a somewhat democratic party in Lenin's day to an authoritarian one in Russia.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

And there was no distinction then between the party and the state.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

So your authoritarian party changed.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

then became authoritarian total control over the entirety of the state.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

Now, the fact that the Soviet system involved total state ownership of production meant that the authoritarianism of the party state could go even deeper into the lives of ordinary people compared to other horrific

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

dictatorships like Pinochet's Chile and so on, when maybe you could find some solace just at home or whatever else.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

You didn't have the same sort of totalitarian control of people's lives.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#349 โ€“ Bhaskar Sunkara: The Case for Socialism

But I would say that socialism itself has yielded different outcomes.