Bill from Otis Technologies

Mm-hmm.

They are both important parts to our business.

It's also sometimes when one is up, the other one is down and vice versa.

Certainly during the 20 years of GWAT, I could tell you there was a lot of product that came through our building.

Mm-hmm.

Um, certainly not just ourselves, but others that have been supplying that space, uh, certainly have are producing less as a consequence.

Um, but I'd say it's still, uh, we, we, we couldn't survive if it was just military sales and we couldn't survive.

It was just commercial.

We have a nice compliment between the two and, um, um,

Again, it's valuable to have two, even though they're in kind of the same cleaning of products, they're really in two different markets that help to offset difficulties in the marketplace.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Well, that's really been, I think, the key to our success of having a portable cleaning kit.

And that's why it was so popular and easy to convince the

the U S military to, to use that.

I mean, back in the day it was, well, and we still sell plenty of the, of the envelope, you know, with the, with the steel rods that are still, you know, standard issued and, and in some places.

But, you know, it was, you know, the, the round pack has been easy to carry, you know, in your rucksack doesn't take a whole lot of room.

And, you know, if you're, you know, you're sitting in,

you're out downrange and need to keep that rifle clean, that's the product to use.

And whether it's in combat or whether hunting camp and cleaning the rifle between, you know, the days you're up at a deer stand or on a ground blind,