Bill Gates

argument we should go and do something, he wins because we don't want to be left behind. We want to be there from the very beginning. And then we meet a few people, although it was still a very small movement. We meet other people like Steve Wozniak, Steve Jobs, who also, you know, have been infected with this idea of, okay, we're on to something that is going to be huge.

Well, I had a fantastic relationship with Steve. Early on, I got to do the basic, which they called AppleSoft, that went with every Apple II computer. So I worked with both Jobs and Wozniak to get that done. Then later, as Steve has a kind of small group inside Apple doing the Macintosh, he invited Microsoft to write application software, a spreadsheet word processor for it.

Well, I had a fantastic relationship with Steve. Early on, I got to do the basic, which they called AppleSoft, that went with every Apple II computer. So I worked with both Jobs and Wozniak to get that done. Then later, as Steve has a kind of small group inside Apple doing the Macintosh, he invited Microsoft to write application software, a spreadsheet word processor for it.

And so we actually had as many people as they did. And we worked very closely on that project. And he and I loved the fact that, you know, that ended up being a key Apple product. Then he leaves Apple. I talked to him about Next, but I never thought that computer would do that well. So he was disappointed. But then when he goes back,

And so we actually had as many people as they did. And we worked very closely on that project. And he and I loved the fact that, you know, that ended up being a key Apple product. Then he leaves Apple. I talked to him about Next, but I never thought that computer would do that well. So he was disappointed. But then when he goes back,

And it's unbelievable what a great job he did because Apple went from being on the way to dying to being the world's most valuable company. And Steve had really matured and it was something. And we helped write software for that. Then later when Steve is sick, we had about, five different conversations where we got to talk about kids and had computers done well and where he was pretty thoughtful.

And it's unbelievable what a great job he did because Apple went from being on the way to dying to being the world's most valuable company. And Steve had really matured and it was something. And we helped write software for that. Then later when Steve is sick, we had about, five different conversations where we got to talk about kids and had computers done well and where he was pretty thoughtful.

It's amazing to me that Steve you know, his skill set and mine, other than, okay, you know, madman, leader, you know, drawing people in, but he, his taste in design and user interface, and even his intuition about people, he was just genius in a way you can't explain. He didn't look at code and write code, whereas, you know, my thing is, hey, I'm an engineer, you know, Here's the code.

It's amazing to me that Steve you know, his skill set and mine, other than, okay, you know, madman, leader, you know, drawing people in, but he, his taste in design and user interface, and even his intuition about people, he was just genius in a way you can't explain. He didn't look at code and write code, whereas, you know, my thing is, hey, I'm an engineer, you know, Here's the code.

Let's make it faster and smaller. So actually, that allowed us to get along because, you know, what he was super good at, I was not good at. I envied those just incredible talents that he had. In some ways, he's more singular. You know, if you say to me, are there other people like you who are great at writing code and conceptualizing.

Let's make it faster and smaller. So actually, that allowed us to get along because, you know, what he was super good at, I was not good at. I envied those just incredible talents that he had. In some ways, he's more singular. You know, if you say to me, are there other people like you who are great at writing code and conceptualizing.

Yeah, I can name a number of people, including many who worked with me, but I don't know somebody who I say, oh yeah, he's just like Steve Jobs.

Yeah, I can name a number of people, including many who worked with me, but I don't know somebody who I say, oh yeah, he's just like Steve Jobs.

Yeah, we did one public appearance, you know, where we were being thoughtful about the friendship. Walt Mossberg had us on stage together, which was definitely a fun thing and surprised people because Steve was very harsh. You know, he was, you know, he said we were the General Motors and he was like the Mercedes. But, you know, all in, it was all very fair. Well,

Yeah, we did one public appearance, you know, where we were being thoughtful about the friendship. Walt Mossberg had us on stage together, which was definitely a fun thing and surprised people because Steve was very harsh. You know, he was, you know, he said we were the General Motors and he was like the Mercedes. But, you know, all in, it was all very fair. Well,

We reflected that computers really hadn't improved education and where both he and I had given speeches saying, of course, this will make education five times better. And we were like, wow, we got that one wrong. Maybe next round we'll – deliver on that promise.

We reflected that computers really hadn't improved education and where both he and I had given speeches saying, of course, this will make education five times better. And we were like, wow, we got that one wrong. Maybe next round we'll – deliver on that promise.

And, you know, how unusual it was, even a little bit lonely that, you know, when you were so successful and then you're having doubts about, okay, are we making mistakes here? You know, both of us had had kids by then. He was actually, you know, of course, he not only did Apple, he did the Pixar stuff. And because that was around my age,

And, you know, how unusual it was, even a little bit lonely that, you know, when you were so successful and then you're having doubts about, okay, are we making mistakes here? You know, both of us had had kids by then. He was actually, you know, of course, he not only did Apple, he did the Pixar stuff. And because that was around my age,

I'm not in, I, you know, could sincerely tell him what a brilliant job he did. Now, partly picking people, but that's, you know, kind of amazing, you know, now part of Disney. And, you know, in both a sense of thankfulness, although, you know, he was very sick and just hoping some new drug would come along, and tragically, it didn't.