Bill Kristol

So all of these things that you want to talk about and focus on in your post-presidency or continue to advance in some way in foreign policy for him too. And then there's kind of like the pop cable news punditry legacy. And Shale was trying to talk about how Biden should think about

So all of these things that you want to talk about and focus on in your post-presidency or continue to advance in some way in foreign policy for him too. And then there's kind of like the pop cable news punditry legacy. And Shale was trying to talk about how Biden should think about

just trying to advance all those things that he worked on that he had successes on, you know, like rather than trying to win this fucking tucking head battle that is a on unwinnable since Trump won and be like on certain, right? Like who knows like how things will shake out. And I do feel like there is, there's like some healthy place in the middle, you know, that we want from public servants.

just trying to advance all those things that he worked on that he had successes on, you know, like rather than trying to win this fucking tucking head battle that is a on unwinnable since Trump won and be like on certain, right? Like who knows like how things will shake out. And I do feel like there is, there's like some healthy place in the middle, you know, that we want from public servants.

just trying to advance all those things that he worked on that he had successes on, you know, like rather than trying to win this fucking tucking head battle that is a on unwinnable since Trump won and be like on certain, right? Like who knows like how things will shake out. And I do feel like there is, there's like some healthy place in the middle, you know, that we want from public servants.

That's somewhere between the horrific nihilism of Rudy Giuliani and, and kind of like an obsession with legacy that becomes unhelpful, right? Or maybe even counterproductive, like at times. And it just feels so much more acute for him, maybe because of his age. I don't know why. Like maybe it feels less acute for Obama and W because there's a longer arc of post-presidency. I'm not sure.

That's somewhere between the horrific nihilism of Rudy Giuliani and, and kind of like an obsession with legacy that becomes unhelpful, right? Or maybe even counterproductive, like at times. And it just feels so much more acute for him, maybe because of his age. I don't know why. Like maybe it feels less acute for Obama and W because there's a longer arc of post-presidency. I'm not sure.

That's somewhere between the horrific nihilism of Rudy Giuliani and, and kind of like an obsession with legacy that becomes unhelpful, right? Or maybe even counterproductive, like at times. And it just feels so much more acute for him, maybe because of his age. I don't know why. Like maybe it feels less acute for Obama and W because there's a longer arc of post-presidency. I'm not sure.

Yeah, I'm not sure either. I've always thought that the focus on legacy is both obviously humanly understandable. It can lead in a good direction, as you were sort of suggesting, in the sense that you want to do admirable things that you'll be remembered for. It can also lead to a kind of overthinking.

Yeah, I'm not sure either. I've always thought that the focus on legacy is both obviously humanly understandable. It can lead in a good direction, as you were sort of suggesting, in the sense that you want to do admirable things that you'll be remembered for. It can also lead to a kind of overthinking.

Yeah, I'm not sure either. I've always thought that the focus on legacy is both obviously humanly understandable. It can lead in a good direction, as you were sort of suggesting, in the sense that you want to do admirable things that you'll be remembered for. It can also lead to a kind of overthinking.

I've seen this in other people, not just public officials, incidentally, that you don't know what's going to happen next. You don't know how things are going to be judged 10, 20, 30 years from now. Things that look great at first don't look so good, and vice versa. Harry Truman.

I've seen this in other people, not just public officials, incidentally, that you don't know what's going to happen next. You don't know how things are going to be judged 10, 20, 30 years from now. Things that look great at first don't look so good, and vice versa. Harry Truman.

I've seen this in other people, not just public officials, incidentally, that you don't know what's going to happen next. You don't know how things are going to be judged 10, 20, 30 years from now. Things that look great at first don't look so good, and vice versa. Harry Truman.

uh for example um so i i think probably this sounds kind of totally trite but i mean you know the best thing is to try to do the right thing and to take a long view of the right thing so you are thinking about future generations you're not just thinking about you know leaving office and everything falls apart a year later but the legacy thing is hard to shape and obviously hard to control

uh for example um so i i think probably this sounds kind of totally trite but i mean you know the best thing is to try to do the right thing and to take a long view of the right thing so you are thinking about future generations you're not just thinking about you know leaving office and everything falls apart a year later but the legacy thing is hard to shape and obviously hard to control

uh for example um so i i think probably this sounds kind of totally trite but i mean you know the best thing is to try to do the right thing and to take a long view of the right thing so you are thinking about future generations you're not just thinking about you know leaving office and everything falls apart a year later but the legacy thing is hard to shape and obviously hard to control

It's tough. It's such a downer. One other thing worth mentioning about it before we move on to the Trump news, which is downer in a different kind of way, is that Zeke Emanuel is on Morning Joe this morning. And it bears mentioning because this is just going to be part of the conversation about all of this, sadly, over the coming months.

It's tough. It's such a downer. One other thing worth mentioning about it before we move on to the Trump news, which is downer in a different kind of way, is that Zeke Emanuel is on Morning Joe this morning. And it bears mentioning because this is just going to be part of the conversation about all of this, sadly, over the coming months.

It's tough. It's such a downer. One other thing worth mentioning about it before we move on to the Trump news, which is downer in a different kind of way, is that Zeke Emanuel is on Morning Joe this morning. And it bears mentioning because this is just going to be part of the conversation about all of this, sadly, over the coming months.