Bill Kristol

No, I think that's right. I do think it lingers, and I think it's an excuse. I think it's both. But we'll see. This is where I go contra JVL and his total darkness of which there's no negative externality that could happen to people that would make them come to their senses. I do think the economic side of this is pretty – It's pretty alarming.

And if you get to a point where it's like the only people getting their beak wet are these AI hundred billionaires and the Trump family and a handful of other grifters around them and people in the regular economy and in the business world start suffering or doing worse. I don't know. I was laughing at Besant yesterday.

And if you get to a point where it's like the only people getting their beak wet are these AI hundred billionaires and the Trump family and a handful of other grifters around them and people in the regular economy and in the business world start suffering or doing worse. I don't know. I was laughing at Besant yesterday.

And if you get to a point where it's like the only people getting their beak wet are these AI hundred billionaires and the Trump family and a handful of other grifters around them and people in the regular economy and in the business world start suffering or doing worse. I don't know. I was laughing at Besant yesterday.

And he was like, well, yeah, sure, consumers have to eat a little bit of the tariffs at Walmart, but it's being offset because the price of energy is collapsing. I was like, is that actually good? I don't know. That's not actually a good sign for the economy. What about all your energy buddies? What about all the fucking oil guys down in Texas that put you guys under the light?

And he was like, well, yeah, sure, consumers have to eat a little bit of the tariffs at Walmart, but it's being offset because the price of energy is collapsing. I was like, is that actually good? I don't know. That's not actually a good sign for the economy. What about all your energy buddies? What about all the fucking oil guys down in Texas that put you guys under the light?

And he was like, well, yeah, sure, consumers have to eat a little bit of the tariffs at Walmart, but it's being offset because the price of energy is collapsing. I was like, is that actually good? I don't know. That's not actually a good sign for the economy. What about all your energy buddies? What about all the fucking oil guys down in Texas that put you guys under the light?

Are they thrilled about this? Anyway, all right. I could do a rant about the oil CEOs get me more mad than anybody, actually.

Are they thrilled about this? Anyway, all right. I could do a rant about the oil CEOs get me more mad than anybody, actually.

Are they thrilled about this? Anyway, all right. I could do a rant about the oil CEOs get me more mad than anybody, actually.

I like the fact that you pick on Besson so much. He seems like particularly for a guy who's presumably a senior, you know, been around Wall Street and high levels and done a million of these kinds of public presentations. He's extremely bad, isn't he? I mean, unusually.

I like the fact that you pick on Besson so much. He seems like particularly for a guy who's presumably a senior, you know, been around Wall Street and high levels and done a million of these kinds of public presentations. He's extremely bad, isn't he? I mean, unusually.

I like the fact that you pick on Besson so much. He seems like particularly for a guy who's presumably a senior, you know, been around Wall Street and high levels and done a million of these kinds of public presentations. He's extremely bad, isn't he? I mean, unusually.

I find him to be just totally appalling and unappealing on every level. And I find the whole thing embarrassing. For anybody who's made it this long without falling into deep despair, we're going to end with the conspiracy theorists coming home to roost for some of the Trump administration officials. We can end by kind of enjoying their pain a little bit. But let's stick with the economy.

I find him to be just totally appalling and unappealing on every level. And I find the whole thing embarrassing. For anybody who's made it this long without falling into deep despair, we're going to end with the conspiracy theorists coming home to roost for some of the Trump administration officials. We can end by kind of enjoying their pain a little bit. But let's stick with the economy.

I find him to be just totally appalling and unappealing on every level. And I find the whole thing embarrassing. For anybody who's made it this long without falling into deep despair, we're going to end with the conspiracy theorists coming home to roost for some of the Trump administration officials. We can end by kind of enjoying their pain a little bit. But let's stick with the economy.

So Moody's is the, I guess, last ratings agency to downgrade us. And this is related to what is happening on the Hill with this reconciliation bill. There are two elements of that I want to talk to you about. One, Jonathan Cohn wrote about for us, which is just how last night, which everybody should go read, was just about how rushed and how opaque this is and what the implications of that are.

So Moody's is the, I guess, last ratings agency to downgrade us. And this is related to what is happening on the Hill with this reconciliation bill. There are two elements of that I want to talk to you about. One, Jonathan Cohn wrote about for us, which is just how last night, which everybody should go read, was just about how rushed and how opaque this is and what the implications of that are.

So Moody's is the, I guess, last ratings agency to downgrade us. And this is related to what is happening on the Hill with this reconciliation bill. There are two elements of that I want to talk to you about. One, Jonathan Cohn wrote about for us, which is just how last night, which everybody should go read, was just about how rushed and how opaque this is and what the implications of that are.

But first, just really quick on the Moody side of it. Also, it's just like the debt bomb that is coming. Like all this stuff is interacting together, right? Like we have these tariffs that are going to, you know, increase, increase prices on people. We have, you know, the cuts. that are coming to the federal government.