Bill Kristol

And the same with the election interference, which has come to the fore in the last week.

That's not one of the conditions that ICE wouldn't be used at the poll, you know, anywhere near any polls and so forth.

So I think that, yeah, the Dems just need to go on a very strong offense here.

They're winning on this issue.

I very much agree with Andrew.

I mean, we shouldn't – you're right to point that out and to stress that.

It's not as if –

The Dems are playing defense.

They're only playing defense to the degree they're making themselves play defense.

They need to stay on offense.

And the numbers are pretty astonishing on ICE, honestly.

I mean, you know, for the issue that was the weakest one for the Democrats, immigration, oh, my God, they can't talk about it.

That was just a year ago, right?

Trump's immigration, Trump's mass deportation policy and everything that it has brought with it, the violence, the violations of civil rights and so forth, the bigotry is really unpopular.

I mean, the pattern's gotten pretty convincing, I would just say, of these special elections.

This one sounds like it's a little more of a, do you think a non-college kind of white working class district as opposed to

Maybe outside Houston, which is a little more upper middle class, I would say, from last week.

But no, but that's, I only mentioned this because that is, I mean, Ron Brownstein, I had a podcast with him yesterday on the bulwark on Sunday.

I mean, the degree to which it's so important for Democrats to make some dent in the white working class vote, especially the white working class women, where there has been some unhappiness with Trump, both on economic grounds for some of the working class voters, but also politically.

especially I think on some of the ICE stuff and that kind of thing.