Bill Kristol

I mean, people – again, it was sort of your point earlier.

The agency is –

People have agency and Congress has agency.

And ICE is not an autonomous thing that just descends from the skies and shows up in cities.

And part of that is therefore Kristi Noem, Donald Trump's responsibility, totally, in my view, as well as the individual agents, obviously.

And part of it is Congress's responsibility to not let this continue.

And on the funding, I mean, just to be clear, I said this, I was having a similar conversation over the weekend.

So I said, well, but isn't that funding all baked in?

It is for now.

Congress does not have to accept a prior Congress's decision about funding and they can change it.

And if they want to make it conditional on these reforms, if they want to reduce the growth of ICE, ICE has gone from 10,000 to 22,000, I believe, officers in the last year.

God knows what the quality of those 12 new 12,000 is.

I'm not sure that the shooter was one of the new ones.

Incidentally, he may have been someone who was more at other problems.

But anyway, it can't be good.

And it just increases the chances of all this happening.

And they can put a pause on the expansion of ICE.

They can put a pause on the expansion of funding.

They don't have to totally defund it.

I myself, not being a member of Congress, feel I can maybe slightly irresponsibly say abolish ICE just to get people to think about it.