Bill Kristol

Right.

I mean, it's really it is kind of remarkable.

He wasn't in danger, objectively, and that is one of the legal standards, I believe, that, you know, people have to use before they kill people, before they discharge.

They have to be in, it has to really be in self-defense, not just in some fantasy self-defense or defense of others.

whom they were not threatening.

He didn't even, but he didn't believe he was in danger.

You know, by moving the cell phone to the other, continuing to video.

That's why we have this.

That's why this is such a telling cell phone video because he kept it on.

He wouldn't, he wasn't, we know how people behave in their danger and what they, you know.

And B, none of his colleagues thought he or they were in danger.

They're strolling around and then they stroll away.

I mean, the whole thing.

And of course, they don't let the physician approach as well.

I mean, it is grotesque.

I totally agree.

And I think it's an important argument for Democrats to sort of come to believe that at least it's a reasonable chance that this could become or is the majority view.

I think it is actually.

But and there's some polling even to suggest this.

But they need to, in my view, I'm curious whether you agree.