Bill Landis

I think maybe John Walker could as well.

John Walker is a little bigger.

He's closer in weight, at least, to Kaden McDonald than James Smith is.

And then I think if you look, if you want to really expand the conversation, if you look at them bringing in a guy like Jameer Perez in this recruiting class who's 360 pounds, it's like, yeah, that's different.

That's a guy you bring into your program if you're looking to play a true nose.

Yeah.

There's a little bit of sort of like Matt Patricia's vision for the defense, I think, coming in to play with the roster build there when you look at some of that stuff.

non-padded practices we watched they were doing like a pursuit drill and sincere johnson just like ran through and put him on the ground james is like what are you doing but it's like smiling as he says it's like you love it you love that yeah so yeah that's the kind of stuff that gets you on the field early

It was you.

And I was too dismissive of that too quickly.

I'm back around.

I think he's interesting.

Yeah, kind of.

Yeah, I think it's pretty open.

That'll be fun to get into when we talk with James Laurinaitis later in the spring because I think it's – I would have said coming off of last season, like immediately Riley Pettijohn.

They can learn like Riley Pettijohn is a little banked up, not going to be a full participant.

So then I maybe would have said like if I had to pick one, it would be Christian Allegro just because of his experience.

Yeah.

But I'll pull back a little bit from that, too.

I think Garrett Stover's in that mix.