Bill Thompson

But there was ways to encrypt the devices and to encrypt the chatter and the tunnel coming out of the phone, the RF coming out of the phone.

What is lockdown mode?

I don't know if that's exactly what it was called or not because I've never really used Apple just for my own personal reasons.

What personal reasons?

I don't trust Apple.

How so?

They are more interested in monetizing people's data than they are providing them capability.

So every time you take a photo, every time you upload a document, every time you talk to it, every time it asks you about, you'll get these questions where it says, if your password's lost, you can back up your password in these ways.

Tell us where you were born.

Tell us your mom's maiden name.

Tell us your mom's this, your mom's that.

Yeah, so when I was advising guys back in the day on going out and doing a high-risk source meet, so they're going to go meet a spy for another country, and you're a military guy, and you're debriefing someone or doing something, I would always tell them to use lockdown mode.

I knew that it did those things.

I didn't know if that was the term or if I had thought that up.

You can still text and call.

Text and call, that's it.

Yeah, but there's other things that you can't do.

Why would they do that?

I said, why don't you trust Apple?

It's the same reason I don't trust Meta.