Bill Thompson

I've just never done it.

And so you can do a forensic examination of an Apple, by the way.

I'm sorry if I misspoke there.

But you can't do it to the level that you can with... Because the Android Open Source Project publishes all of the code, I can get an understanding of the very inner working.

So if something's being done, for instance, at the kernel, or you could think about it as the lowest level of the phone, something that wouldn't normally...

uh, get caught in a forensic, um, examination, I wouldn't be able to do that with Apple.

Right.

So, and the nation state actors are doing, are doing things at very low levels in the code framework for that exact reason, because most people who aren't very deep into forensics, um, would miss that.

It'd be like the fingerprint under the couch cushion or something like that.

So that gets into, you know, if you wanted to war drive or sample Wi-Fi networks in an area.

Or if you wanted to run a barrage attack on a Wi-Fi endpoint, you could work that in there to do things with the phone that you couldn't otherwise do with a standard Android operating kit.

Um, you're, you're much more in control of the ecosystem.

Um, you're, you're, you have a firmer understanding.

And again, you could use a large language model to do this, to understand exactly what's being run on the phone.

Um, you control the background services that can be run on the phone.

So if you're getting hot mic or if your camera's taking pictures of you and you're not looking or it's listening to you for advertising content, stuff like that, you, you would be in control of all of that in a way that you're not control of on a native Android app.

Or just the functionality wouldn't be there for it to take place.

And I haven't installed Graphene in a while.

So all of this updates and I could be saying things that are incorrect.

I stopped doing this about three years ago.