Bill Whittle

And those two flight computers were named Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin.

But to be perfectly honest with you, the Artemis spacecraft is not really significantly different or at least not radically more advanced than the Apollo command service module.

The answer to the question of why we didn't go back is always expressed as a we lost the technology.

We never lost the technology.

The space shuttle which followed Apollo was infinitely more complex than the Apollo program hardware.

We lost the will.

And to tell you the best way I ever heard this, Mike, in terms of at least assuaging my disappointment, was that America is such an amazing country that we got bored going to the moon.

But that's exactly what happened.

That's exactly what happened.

By the time the second moon landing happened, Apollo 12,

The ratings were way down by Apollo 13 had the emergency, obviously.

But by the time we got to Apollo 14, nobody was watching.

And Richard Nixon was trying to cut budgets.

He wanted to cut 15, 16 and 17.

We were supposed to go to Apollo 20 and really heartbreakingly, 18, 19 and 20, which were canceled.

were going to go to incredible places.

They were going to go to the basin of this 200-mile-wide crater named Copernicus.

They were going to go to all of these places.

But they cut those missions because of lack of public interest and the sense that we needed to spend the money back here on Earth.

It was sort of like...