Billy Corgan

I came to that, but it took me a while.

There was nothing that I was like... So just to walk you back through some early 90s politics, because you might find it interesting.

So just to walk you back through some early 90s politics, because you might find it interesting.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So there were bands that registered on the Richter scale of like, great, you're indie and you represent our values.

So there were bands that registered on the Richter scale of like, great, you're indie and you represent our values.

And there were other alternative bands that didn't work within those values and they were mocked and castigated out of the cool kids club.

And there were other alternative bands that didn't work within those values and they were mocked and castigated out of the cool kids club.

So that is always there.

So that is always there.

And honestly, your approach is the best approach, which is just completely ignore them because they ultimately don't have any power.

And honestly, your approach is the best approach, which is just completely ignore them because they ultimately don't have any power.

You walked me through that a little bit.

Without naming names because you don't have to, what for you is an idealized state of you in the band?

Without naming names because you don't have to, what for you is an idealized state of you in the band?

Are you solo or both?

Are you solo or both?

And what do those idealized states sound like?

And what do those idealized states sound like?