Billy Corgan

And I can see the hip-hop part of that.

So the fact that you seem to have found the right balance of the rhythmic approach musically and then the band sort of sonic, that is really like at a beautiful spot right now.

So the fact that you seem to have found the right balance of the rhythmic approach musically and then the band's sort of sonic, that is really at a beautiful spot right now.

It doesn't feel like one thing is betraying the other because sometimes there can be that where...

It doesn't feel like one thing is betraying the other.

Because sometimes there can be that where...

And maybe it just took time to sort of like a soup.

And maybe it just took time to sort of like a soup.

It's just taken time to find the exact right balance of those forces.

It's just taken time to find the exact right balance of those forces.

Because when I listen to your solo stuff, it's way more, like you said, more in the pop.

Because when I listen to your solo stuff, it's way more, like you said, more in the pop.

R&B, I don't know, that's my generation's term.

R&B.

That's my generation's term.

Like I just.

Like, I just...

Have you worked with those top pop writers?

Have you worked with those like top pop writers?

Do you, do you like that process?