Billy Corgan

And I don't mean even material ways, because I think, again...

There's so many different ways to calculate success in this interesting time.

I mean, what gives you confidence or assurance or some sense of like, yeah, what I set out to do, I did?

I mean, what gives you confidence or assurance or some sense of like, yeah, what I set out to do, I did?

Well, in the reverse, we've had to struggle with because we grew up in a different metric.

Well, in the reverse, we've had to struggle with, because we grew up in a different metric.

Like when I remember doing an interview once and the guy said something about, well, you stopped selling records.

Like when I remember doing an interview once and the guy said something about, well, you stopped selling records.

And I go, well, yeah, everybody did.

And I go, well, yeah, everybody did.

But the guy, the journalist, was still saying, well, in 1995, you sold six million records.

But the guy, the journalist, was still saying, well, in 1995, you sold six million records.

And I was like, but Beyonce doesn't even sell six million.

And I was like, but Beyonce doesn't even sell six million.

But they're still in this logic.

But they're still in this logic.

So invariably, consciously, unconsciously, you sort of grew up in a different system of...

So invariably, consciously, unconsciously, you sort of grew up in a different system of...

It'd be like if you grew up, using your basketball analogy, it'd be like, well, it doesn't mean anything to score 25 points like AI used to do every night.

It'd be like if you grew up using your basketball analogy.