Billy Corgan

But for a lot of people, it sends the wrong message.

But for a lot of people, it sends the wrong message.

If the things being reinforced are ultimately, they're so disparate from their lives that they can't relate.

If the things being reinforced are ultimately, they're so disparate from their lives that they can't relate.

I'm not saying it wasn't.

I'm not saying it wasn't.

I'm saying is across the arc of, let's call it an aspirational figure like an Aretha Franklin.

I'm saying it's across the arc of, let's call it an aspirational figure like an Aretha Franklin.

Sure.

One of the greatest singers ever, grew up in the church, crossed over from gospel to pop, made some of the most important music ever.

One of the greatest singers ever, grew up in the church, crossed over from gospel to pop, made some of the most important music ever, not even just soul music, just important music.

Not even just soul music, just important music.

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Okay?

That's an aspirational journey.

That's an aspirational journey.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Barbara Streisand, you know, a once-in-a-generation singer goes on to be an actor and a director.

Barbara Streisand, you know, a once-in-a-generation singer goes on to be an actor and a director.