Billy Corgan

And I think as adults, now we can talk about it.

And I think as adults now we can talk about it.

The dividing line is I've always had respect for you.

The dividing line is I've always had respect for you.

And if there's any pressure in any of the moments along the way, it was because I thought I had a better version of it for you.

And if there's any pressure in any of the moments along the way, it was because I thought I had a better version of it for you.

But if at the end of the day, you didn't believe it, I didn't want it.

But if at the end of the day, you didn't believe it, I didn't want it.

That's why you got to read the book to read about the traumas.

That's why I got to read the book to read about the traumas.

Well, all of it.

I mean, the death of the band was very traumatic for me.

Including your own father.

Including your own father.

forgive you for like i thought you just tried to own me so that you could get something from me which like what did you know you could have had any bass player but you chose me yeah the one thing i would say is an addendum to that is yeah uh you know the pumpkins has died various deaths along the way now you yes you have a whole other chapter that sure but but there's been multiple uh fatalities along the way and and it's sadly even real fatalities but yeah but um

forgive you for like i thought you just tried to own me so that you could get something from me which like what did you you could have had any bass player but you chose me yeah the one thing i would say is an addendum to that is yeah uh you know the pumpkins has died various deaths along the way now you yes you have a whole other chapter that sure but but there's been multiple uh fatalities along the way and and it's sadly even real fatalities but yeah but um

The thing I would point out to you, and I would say this to you privately in the exact same way, is it was a very close circle.

the thing i would point out to you and i would say this to you privately in the in the exact same way is it was a very close circle yeah and and yes we had different people come in but the only people we let in the circle in those 14 13 years whatever it was was you and garson mike garson oh yeah sweet garson

Yeah.

And yes, we had different people come in, but the only people we let in the circle in those 14, 13 years, whatever it was, was you and Garson, Mike Garson.