Billy Crudup

So yeah, that culture.

You watch those movies that were made in the 50s, and it's essentially, how do you make a civil society out of a lawless society?

So without laws and the rule of law and consistency with the rule of law and its application, what you have is a bit of chaos.

And can you have a civil society in a chaotically structured environment?

Yeah, yeah.

He's a phenomenal photographer.

This can't be a nice story.

Got it.

It didn't feel right.

I'll tell you what happened was in the 90s, there was this big rush by entertainment glossy magazines, and there were a lot of them.

to discover the next big thing.

So there was something called the it guy or the it girl.

I'm sure they still have it.

I sound like I'm a hundred and four.

We had things called the it guy.

I was aware of those kinds of things.

They were happening before people actually produced anything.

I was not feeling terribly confident.

I feel like I did good professional jobs in movies, but I didn't think I was giving like memorable performances, but they thought I photographed well.

So they wanted me for their magazines.