Billy Gardell

And I mean, you really had to be good to survive.

And so those lessons taught me some perseverance too.

And I just think you have to keep growing.

I mean, if you're not continually growing, if at some point you think you've reached boss level, I just think you're done.

Yeah.

I think you have to keep pushing yourself.

Well, I think they just stay very authentic.

And the more authentic you are, the more I think you connect with people if you just stay authentic.

That's true.

Yeah, I would get that a little bit after the shows.

During the show, it was a huge transition because they didn't recognize me, which means I was getting an honest.

honest reaction.

And so you had to dig down to actually do the job well.

And then the other thing was I had to get used to being this size on stage.

I used to take up so much more air, no pun intended.

But I had a bigger energy on stage.

I went from the guy that used to be like, get out of the way to, I'm sorry, did I bump you?

So I had to.

It was like going from a minivan to a coupe.

You know what I mean?