Bjorn Lomborg

In fact, they can use old nuclear waste as fuel.

As with anything, if you work a technology to scale, then you gradually make it better and you solve the problems.

So if we work nuclear technology to scale, as the Chinese are doing, because they can see that this is the technology of the future, if you push yourself as pioneers into that space, you become the providers of that technology to the world.

So then what you've done by putting money into it when it was less cost effective is you've invested in the new technology, which you then recoup the cost of that investment from by selling it to the world.

Because the world will go net zero in a blink of an eye when you've got the cost-effective technology that works.

But how do you get that?

You get it by investing in developing that technology.

We already know that nuclear works.

It's just that we've got ideological stuff going on that has said that, you know, even though we say that there's a climate crisis, we're also going to be anti-nuclear.

And how could you ever come to that conclusion if you're simply thinking this is a pragmatic problem to be solved?

It's not.

It's an ideology that is driving these.

Why is Germany shutting down nuclear power stations right now and ramping up coal when it says that it's going to be a climate leader?

And this is the challenge.

So net zero, if it's taken as a pragmatic engineering problem to be addressed, then there's a certain amount of investment in technology that makes sense.

And you can plan in a way that will avoid the problems of massive energy price spikes and so on and so forth.

But that's not how we're doing it.

We're doing it in this weird, ideological, knee-jerk, technocratic way where we are making decisions based on how difficult they are politically more than we are about what's going to get the job done.

And that is going to lead to exactly what you described, what you ascribed to Bjorn, whether he would have owned it himself.

Absolutely right.