Bjørn Lomborg

This is about how much you actually ended up

affecting the world?

And the honest answer is that electric cars right now in the next decade or so will have a fairly small impact.

And unfortunately right now at a very high cost, because we're basically subsidizing these things at five or $10,000 around the world per car.

That's just not, it's not really sustainable, but it's certainly not a very great way to cut carbon emissions.

So I would be the kind of guy and economists would be the

types of people who would say, is there a smarter way where you, for less money, can, for instance, cut more CO2?

And the obvious answer is yes.

That's what we've seen, for instance, with fracking.

The fact that the US went from a lot of coal to a lot of gas because gas became incredibly cheap, because gas emits about half as much as coal does when you use it for power.

That basically cut more carbon emissions than pretty much any other single thing.

And we should get the rest of the world in some sense to frack because it's really cheap.

There are some problems and absolutely we can also have that conversation.

No technology is problem free, but fundamentally it's an incredibly cheap way.

to get people to cut a lot of co2 it's not the final solution because it's still a fossil fuel but it's a much better fossil fuel if you will and it's much more realistic to do that so that's one part of the thing the other one is when we talked about for instance uh how do we help people in florida who gets hit by hurricane or how do we hit uh help people that get damaged in flash floods the people who are in

We're in heat waves.

And the simple answer is there's a lot of very, very cheap and effective things that we could do first.

So most climate people will tend to sort of say, we got to get rid of all carbon emissions.

We got to change the engine that sort of powers the world and has powered us for the last 200 years.

And that's all good and well, but it's really, really hard to do.