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And so there, it's just much easier to fight this war with the proxy of Nick Fuentes than it is to actually deal with what's happening in the public.

There's another great moment in the interview where I think Lulu asks Tucker, like, why then are people so obsessed with Fuentes?

I'm paraphrasing it.

I don't have the exact verbatim language, but he responds, well, because it's easier to call someone, or maybe they were talking about anti-Semitism, but I think it applies to Fuentes as well.

It's like, it's easier to call somebody a name

and to call them a bigot because it immediately stigmatizes and ostracizes them than it is to actually grapple with an argument they're advancing.

And so, if you're calling somebody that word, you're calling somebody, you're making this really serious charge, you actually, you

should be able to back it up.

But so often it's just deployed in a way that shuts a person down, shuts a person up, stigmatizes them, ostracizes them.

And so that is the way to get them out of the argument.

And you can basically discredit an entire opposition movement to war if you say anybody who is flirting with this

This is what happened with Fuentes.

We were playing Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon with Fuentes every day last fall.

Like if somebody had ever watched a Fuentes clip and laughed at it, oh my goodness, you hate Israel.

It's just happening constantly.

And Tucker's right.

He points it out in the interview.

He's like, well, it's much easier to default to the label and to the name than it is to deal with the argument.

It's just a shortcut.

It's a cheat code.