Bob Bordone

Yeah.

So it sounds like for you, the concern is less about reduction and more about moving it to zero.

I think so.

Yeah.

And if it did move to zero, what is the thing you'd be most worried about?

So for you, the research is very forward-looking about future pandemics that might come up.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

And that might be something that I'd be more interested in than how can we prevent future pandemics.

then i would uh worrying about i mean it's very credible what has happened to this set of people who have long covet of course um i just think that that has happened and i would almost rather see the funds move in the direction of how do we prevent another um pandemic that how do we worry about

A relatively small set of people, although it's tragic on them, a relatively small set of people who may still suffer those benefits.

Should we cut?

Yeah.

I just want to say for the record, I was just being an actor there.

Cause I don't even know if my arguments on the other side were making sense, but I was, I was trying.

Yeah, I mean, in some sense, I think it connects to exactly that quote, which is that without conflict, we are not going to get the kind of changes and dynamism we would want in our organizations, whether it's a medical center, a country, a family.

But also without the conflict, we don't get the deeper connection that is possible.

Because it's not until the first no that all of the yeses actually have the meaning that they should.

And so even though it seems scary to go into conflict, what I would say is it offers opportunities.

Maybe for agreement, but if not for agreement, for a deeper, kind of more authentic and real relationship.