Bob Cicero

But we need to work with the genie when it's out of the bottle.

When you think about the changes we've been over in the past four years, it's folks that I'm 100% remote.

But there is value in people getting together.

The value becomes is that is it forced to come together or do people want to come together and truly earning the commute, if you would, around the space that they occupy.

But people are coming together, whether it's to solve problems, to brainstorm, to socialize.

At the end of the day, it's human interaction is important for people to also feel fulfilled about the work that they do, be part of something bigger than themselves.

That doesn't happen through a screen.

That happens when you're physically together.

It's that balance, though.

Is it five days a week?

It depends on the organization.

But there is a balance from a hybrid perspective in terms of people coming together.

But when they come together, it has to be valuable.

They have to have the tools there that they need to be productive, just not for themselves there, but also for any remote participants.

But it is finding that balance for the organization, for yourself.

You said a small business, it makes sense for you all to be together at times.

But there's times you do remote work.

Cisco is the same way.

It's the same in terms of balance.

from the standpoint of what actually makes us most productive.