Bob Gymlan (Brian Gagneau)

I believe reality is permeable to an extent.

The things that we see with our eyes and feel that we touch, there's more than that.

Right.

I've always been fascinated by how –

So many animals seem to innately know that we can help them.

And they shouldn't think that.

Right.

Historically, we are not the helper of animals.

Right.

And like, you know, be it dolphins or seals or whatever.

Or deer even.

Yeah, they're just like, I'm hurt, help.

And it's like, shouldn't they be afraid of the predator?

You're getting there.

Getting there.

Because, as I said earlier, like, to me, the flesh and blood ape hypothesis is not as impractical as everyone says.

Well, I worked at a zoo, Brookfield Zoo in Chicago, for quite a few years.

And so just this Christmas, we went there.

And the lion...

was roaring going nuts and i have footage of this i can actually show you later but it was very close and it was roaring and it looked like it was going to pounce and i had no faith that that little barrier was enough and i've literally worked at the place and i know like there are fail safes and stuff that they can't get out but i was just like nope this is nuts because you know i i love cats big cats too and uh