Bob Iger

And as we designed Shanghai, we made sure that we didn't make mistakes that have been made in the past.

Yes, I don't know whether I'm afraid or proud that I'm the one that changed that.

I really don't know exactly what he had in mind there, except I think he probably wanted

His cast members, we call them, you know, they're all performing on a stage of sorts to be very clean looking and maybe very American.

I don't know.

I don't think there's anything un-American, by the way, about facial hair.

Certainly not today.

But as I think in the 20 years ago when I became CEO, it was clear that

banning facial hair actually limited the number of people we could hire.

Yeah, you couldn't have done Custer World.

Yes, Custer had a hell of a mustache, right?

Yeah.

This is why you guys do the rest of history and we build theme parks, right?

I thought it was just practical for us to allow facial hair.

And, you know, we still have grooming standards, by the way.

You know, we haven't, you know, completely abandoned our desire to show up looking good.

Well, you're welcome.

It's not torture for me, obviously.

If I could spend every day at Disneyland, I would be a very happy fellow.

I don't think it actually the numbers change that much, but somehow the rhetoric. Is this, as I sometimes call like this war for return to the office, which on one hand leaders who are like some, for whatever reason, want like people back and a lot of employees who don't want to go back at definitely not five days a week. Are the executives winning on that front?