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Bob Wachter

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
545 total appearances

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Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

I can tell you that no doctor was happy about being transformed into a data entry clerk.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And patients noticed it.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

They went to see their doctors, and their doctor had the head down, typing away.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And why did that happen?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Because the computer became this enabler of all of these outside entities who used to have no ability to influence what the doctor did because I was scribbling on a piece of paper, now had a way of making me check 12 boxes about did I examine nine body parts and did I ask you if you wear seatbelts?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Do you exercise and all that?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

All noble questions, but now there was a forcing function that you could make the doctor record all this stuff, and so people did.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And importantly, when we send a bill off to the insurance company, the amount of money we get paid is partly related to the nuances of how I record the note.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Which creates some perverse incentives right there.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Totally, totally ridiculous incentives to say the right words in order to get the best bill.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And then a few years after that, federal legislation mandated that patients could not only see their basic information and maybe their medications, but actually could read my note and see their x-ray results and see their lab results.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

There was absolutely no information to help the patient figure out what any of that meant or even to make an appointment.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Other than to maybe forward the results back to the doctor and say, I'd like an explanation, please, which just sludges up your inbox even more.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

The companies did what seemed logical.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

They put a little button at the bottom of the screen that said, send a message to your doctor.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Lo and behold, patients being normal human beings click that button all the time.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Electronic health records have led to a huge increase in what is called pajama time for physicians.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

We talked about that in an episode called The Doctor Won't See You Now, number 650.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

The American Medical Association, in a recent survey, found that roughly 20 percent of physicians spend eight or more hours a week outside the office wrestling with electronic health records.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

But it seems that a new day may finally be dawning.