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Bob Wachter

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
545 total appearances

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Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And whose implementation, the way we put it in at UCSF versus the way it's put in in a rural hospital 100 miles from here, probably isn't going to change all that much about the way a torvastatin works on your blood pressure or a CT scan reader works in giving you an accurate reading.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

But most of AI is not like that.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Most of AI can shapeshift tomorrow compared to what it did today.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Most of what it's doing is giving answers or insights based on the literature.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

How is that different than regulating a textbook or a medical journal?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

So I don't think we have even begun to think about what the regulatory infrastructure looks like to get this right.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

I think the Trump administration is going too far in an anti-regulatory way, but I do think the risk of over-regulating this in the short term is higher than the risk of under-regulating it.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

There are sufficient guardrails in the healthcare system, maybe with the exception of direct-to-consumer use of these tools.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

But in terms of my institution, a place like UCSF, is a $15 billion business that has a terrific reputation.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

It's surrounded by a whole lot of malpractice attorneys.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

We're going to be really careful about bringing an AI into our system until we're pretty darn sure that it's going to work and be effective and not hurt anybody.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

There are a lot of existing guardrails, along with just professional conservatism, that I think if you try to have government regulate every single decision support tool, that's impossible.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

There's no way they can keep up with the speed of innovation here.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

So I think we've got a lot of work to do to figure out the regulatory environment.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

But in the short term, I think a relatively light regulatory touch is the right way to go.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

So that's what Bob Wachter has been thinking about, how to lay out a plan for a full-on merger between AI and healthcare.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

And let's say that merger happens.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

What should we expect?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

What are some of the most wonderful benefits to us, the users of the healthcare system?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

I went back to Pierre Elias to ask about that.