Bob Wachter

I especially liked learning a little bit about Judy Faulkner and Epic.

Now I'm hoping we can bring her on the show sometime.

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People like to call it cheating.

You can call it that.

I'm not sure who was cheated, but that's just what it was.

If you won the Tour de France while doping, but everybody else was also doping, were you the cheater?

And if you can, someone else too.

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