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Bob Wachter

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
553 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Slow boil is a couple of things.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

One is people are treating AI in healthcare like it's new.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

It is not.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

In the 70s and 80s, AI became a thing, and there was a lot of interest in medicine and artificial intelligence.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

If you think about it, what does a doctor do?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

What did I spend eight or 10 years going to school and residency and fellowship learning to do?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

It's be intelligent to take a whole body of information and

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

symptoms and lab tests and all that, match it against a body of information, the medical literature and textbooks, and come up with a diagnosis and a treatment.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

So AI was very exciting, but the AI of the day was not ready for prime time for a few reasons.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

First of all, it was the old if-then AI.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

If a patient has a sore throat and swollen lymph nodes and a fever, they probably have strep throat or mononucleosis.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

That works fine for very simple problems, falls apart very quickly, faced with the complexity of real medicine.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

The second was all of our data was on paper.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Therefore, if you wanted to use these fancy new AI machines, you had to go to a separate computer and type everything in.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

So both of those caused the field to flame out, and AI went away from medicine for about 40 years.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Was this imaging as well or no?

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

It was early for imaging.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Imaging started in the 80s and 90s.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

It was largely around the cognitive work of doctors.

Freakonomics Radio
661. Can A.I. Save Your Life?

Part of the problem was they started on the hardest problem, and the hardest problem is diagnosis.