Bob Webster

I think I first learned of it in the newspaper. And then I came to learn that we had an open investigation on Terry Hoffman involving some shenanigans in the bankruptcy court.

I think I first learned of it in the newspaper. And then I came to learn that we had an open investigation on Terry Hoffman involving some shenanigans in the bankruptcy court.

I think I first learned of it in the newspaper. And then I came to learn that we had an open investigation on Terry Hoffman involving some shenanigans in the bankruptcy court.

You know, the Cleavers were very, very active. They took a very aggressive role to try and seek justice.

You know, the Cleavers were very, very active. They took a very aggressive role to try and seek justice.

You know, the Cleavers were very, very active. They took a very aggressive role to try and seek justice.

I, of course, knew that there was a lot of smoke. There was background. There was noise associated with the defendant that undoubtedly was motivating the government.

I, of course, knew that there was a lot of smoke. There was background. There was noise associated with the defendant that undoubtedly was motivating the government.

I, of course, knew that there was a lot of smoke. There was background. There was noise associated with the defendant that undoubtedly was motivating the government.

You know, we were not prosecuting a cult. We were not prosecuting evil. We were prosecuting somebody that we believe defrauded the bankruptcy court.

You know, we were not prosecuting a cult. We were not prosecuting evil. We were prosecuting somebody that we believe defrauded the bankruptcy court.

You know, we were not prosecuting a cult. We were not prosecuting evil. We were prosecuting somebody that we believe defrauded the bankruptcy court.

I can't tell you which end of the spectrum that is. I think it, you know, I drove by her house every day that I drove home. And, you know, it looked like it had needed a new roof for the last 10 years. Lawnscaping was ill-kept. I struggled with exactly that kind of attempt to get an understanding of what sort of defendant she was or would be.

I can't tell you which end of the spectrum that is. I think it, you know, I drove by her house every day that I drove home. And, you know, it looked like it had needed a new roof for the last 10 years. Lawnscaping was ill-kept. I struggled with exactly that kind of attempt to get an understanding of what sort of defendant she was or would be.

I can't tell you which end of the spectrum that is. I think it, you know, I drove by her house every day that I drove home. And, you know, it looked like it had needed a new roof for the last 10 years. Lawnscaping was ill-kept. I struggled with exactly that kind of attempt to get an understanding of what sort of defendant she was or would be.

It's not unusual in my experience for FBI agents and government prosecutors to give more credit to defendants than they deserve, you know, in being masterminds, in being evil. You know, quite often they are just sad figures.

It's not unusual in my experience for FBI agents and government prosecutors to give more credit to defendants than they deserve, you know, in being masterminds, in being evil. You know, quite often they are just sad figures.

It's not unusual in my experience for FBI agents and government prosecutors to give more credit to defendants than they deserve, you know, in being masterminds, in being evil. You know, quite often they are just sad figures.

There were essentially three indictments in the case. You know, I think an expert in federal criminal prosecutions would say that that's a red flag.

There were essentially three indictments in the case. You know, I think an expert in federal criminal prosecutions would say that that's a red flag.