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Bobbie Johnson

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159 total appearances

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Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

The scam, it's kind of basic in some ways, but wild in others. First of all, on the simplest level, you have teams of North Korean agents who are recruited out of college and they get sent to work in other kind of friendly countries, typically China or Russia. They cross over the border and they go work in these teams. They steal people's identities and they use those identities to apply for jobs.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

The scam, it's kind of basic in some ways, but wild in others. First of all, on the simplest level, you have teams of North Korean agents who are recruited out of college and they get sent to work in other kind of friendly countries, typically China or Russia. They cross over the border and they go work in these teams. They steal people's identities and they use those identities to apply for jobs.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

So they steal American identities and use them to apply for jobs in the U.S., And they use all manner of AI enhancements to get the job. They use the AI coding tools to ace the test. They use the chatbots to script their answers so that they sound more competent. They use deepfake technologies to cheat ID verification and some of the tests that you have to go through in order to get a job.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

So they steal American identities and use them to apply for jobs in the U.S., And they use all manner of AI enhancements to get the job. They use the AI coding tools to ace the test. They use the chatbots to script their answers so that they sound more competent. They use deepfake technologies to cheat ID verification and some of the tests that you have to go through in order to get a job.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

So they steal American identities and use them to apply for jobs in the U.S., And they use all manner of AI enhancements to get the job. They use the AI coding tools to ace the test. They use the chatbots to script their answers so that they sound more competent. They use deepfake technologies to cheat ID verification and some of the tests that you have to go through in order to get a job.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

So if they're lucky enough to get through the interviews... The surprising thing, I think, is they actually generally do the job that they've been employed to do. This is usually building websites or apps for a company, completing different tasks, you know, IT related stuff. And often they share those tasks around their team. So there might be 10 or 15 people working in a team doing multiple jobs.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

So if they're lucky enough to get through the interviews... The surprising thing, I think, is they actually generally do the job that they've been employed to do. This is usually building websites or apps for a company, completing different tasks, you know, IT related stuff. And often they share those tasks around their team. So there might be 10 or 15 people working in a team doing multiple jobs.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

So if they're lucky enough to get through the interviews... The surprising thing, I think, is they actually generally do the job that they've been employed to do. This is usually building websites or apps for a company, completing different tasks, you know, IT related stuff. And often they share those tasks around their team. So there might be 10 or 15 people working in a team doing multiple jobs.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

And they basically are doing the minimum to stay employed. But because they share the tasks around the team, they're often very efficient and seem to be doing their job pretty well. So they stay under the radar. And all of this gives them time to earn cash that they then send back to North Korea.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

And they basically are doing the minimum to stay employed. But because they share the tasks around the team, they're often very efficient and seem to be doing their job pretty well. So they stay under the radar. And all of this gives them time to earn cash that they then send back to North Korea.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

And they basically are doing the minimum to stay employed. But because they share the tasks around the team, they're often very efficient and seem to be doing their job pretty well. So they stay under the radar. And all of this gives them time to earn cash that they then send back to North Korea.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

Now, software engineers can be pretty well compensated, so that can be a substantial amount of money, but they also use that access that they have as a developer to go and steal information, money, cryptocurrency, and even in some cases, plant malicious software on the victim's computer systems. In many cases, they don't get through to being hired. They're just trying, they're testing the system.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

Now, software engineers can be pretty well compensated, so that can be a substantial amount of money, but they also use that access that they have as a developer to go and steal information, money, cryptocurrency, and even in some cases, plant malicious software on the victim's computer systems. In many cases, they don't get through to being hired. They're just trying, they're testing the system.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

Now, software engineers can be pretty well compensated, so that can be a substantial amount of money, but they also use that access that they have as a developer to go and steal information, money, cryptocurrency, and even in some cases, plant malicious software on the victim's computer systems. In many cases, they don't get through to being hired. They're just trying, they're testing the system.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

But when they do get through, sometimes they only last a few days until they do something that clear that they're not who they say they are. But sometimes they stick around. I mean, I spoke to some victims who have unwittingly employed people and for up to a year, you know, they've been working in a company and getting away with it.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

But when they do get through, sometimes they only last a few days until they do something that clear that they're not who they say they are. But sometimes they stick around. I mean, I spoke to some victims who have unwittingly employed people and for up to a year, you know, they've been working in a company and getting away with it.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

But when they do get through, sometimes they only last a few days until they do something that clear that they're not who they say they are. But sometimes they stick around. I mean, I spoke to some victims who have unwittingly employed people and for up to a year, you know, they've been working in a company and getting away with it.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

But the real trick, I think, and the key weakness in this scam is that they need to use a middleman in the US. So, you know, the company will send forms to fill out. They'll send the computer for the developer to use. They need a place to send paychecks. All of these require somebody on the ground. And if you're in a North Korean team in China or Russia, you don't have that person.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

But the real trick, I think, and the key weakness in this scam is that they need to use a middleman in the US. So, you know, the company will send forms to fill out. They'll send the computer for the developer to use. They need a place to send paychecks. All of these require somebody on the ground. And if you're in a North Korean team in China or Russia, you don't have that person.

Today, Explained
My colleague, the scammer

But the real trick, I think, and the key weakness in this scam is that they need to use a middleman in the US. So, you know, the company will send forms to fill out. They'll send the computer for the developer to use. They need a place to send paychecks. All of these require somebody on the ground. And if you're in a North Korean team in China or Russia, you don't have that person.