Brad Davis

Whereas Charlie might have been more confrontational.

The ultimate goal is to get them chattering on, you know, the chatter on the wiretaps.

That's what the bump is really about, the idea of the bumping that up so that they'll start talking potentially about the crime that's been committed.

It's not incriminating in the sense that they're not saying we murdered our son-in-law, our, you know, our brother-in-law.

But it's creating this image of what this conspiracy was after the fact, you know.

And that's what really was, you know, hit home for the prosecutors.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I was able to get a hold of that video.

We were the first people to actually air the video, which toot our horn a little bit.

But you could really see that and see like the craziness in that moment.

I agree.

As we know.

It would be.

We might have had to go to Vietnam.

Who knows?

Well, it's actually very different than it was when I first started covering this because there's a lot of media, but there's also a lot of podcasts.

The story has sort of taken on a life of its own.

And I was struck by the fact that there are just so many more people.

There are people flying in from

like the UK, you know, from England, just to be there for the trial, these, you know, regular people.