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Brad Gerstner

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1234 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

I've been forecasting companies for 25 years.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

I know the numbers today.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

Sam just told us $20 billion run rate end of the year for OpenAI.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

Everybody who is forecasting three years out on these companies is totally guessing.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

right?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

Like, that's why I said time is on your side if you're betting over a five to 10 year horizon.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

But if you think with precision that the company itself can forecast what's going to be happening in three years, I think you're misleading yourself, right?

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

So we'll see.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

I think it's going to be a lot bigger, could be even bigger than those numbers.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

But, you know, those forecasts are highly uncertain because the rate of growth has never been seen before.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

I think you have to build in an expense structure that has the flexibility.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

So if the numbers don't show up, that you have the ability to extend your, you know, your obligation.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

So that's why I was saying, I don't think there's 1.4 trillion.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

I think it's kind of the red herring out there.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

I think it's kind of a fake made up number.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

It's all of the obligations of all of the deals that have been announced.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

And the truth of the matter is only a portion of that is born by open AI.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

And I'm certain there's flexibility in all of those deals.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

to match the expenses with the revenue side.

All-In with Chamath, Jason, Sacks & Friedberg
Does OpenAI Need a Bailout? Mamdani Wins, Socialism Rising, Filibuster Nuclear Option

But listen, let's deal them in the opposite case, let's just say that all of these revenues start flatlining for Anthropic, for X, for Google, people aren't willing to pay for these products, then our CapEx build out for AI is going to be a lot slower.