Brad Milkey

So to the prosecution, open and shut case, like you said, Occam's razor, simplest explanations, the most probable explanation. But the defense here, Matt, has told a completely different story, right? They've alleged a framing and a cover up by fellow police officers. Everyone in that house has said not a chance. We had nothing to do with it. There's no framing.

John O'Keefe never even entered the house, they say. So what is the defense alleging here?

John O'Keefe never even entered the house, they say. So what is the defense alleging here?

Wait, that's the term of the Google search? How long to die in the cold? But like a typo version of how long to die in the cold?

Wait, that's the term of the Google search? How long to die in the cold? But like a typo version of how long to die in the cold?

Oh, so like you open up a tab, it says like that tab was open since 2.30, but maybe the search term wasn't put in until 6 a.m. or something. Exactly. So then, isn't the other thing here, Matt, that... All the investigators are cops. So many of the people allegedly in that house at the time are cops.

Oh, so like you open up a tab, it says like that tab was open since 2.30, but maybe the search term wasn't put in until 6 a.m. or something. Exactly. So then, isn't the other thing here, Matt, that... All the investigators are cops. So many of the people allegedly in that house at the time are cops.

Is it possible for investigators to maintain distance in the case like this where it's a dead cop, it's cop witnesses? How do you keep that distance? Can you?

Is it possible for investigators to maintain distance in the case like this where it's a dead cop, it's cop witnesses? How do you keep that distance? Can you?

We're back with ABC's chief national correspondent, Matt Gutman, who's been following the Karen Reid case throughout. Matt, we heard the arguments in this case. There have been lots of twists and turns, even so far as having the lead police investigator suspended and then later fired. How did all this then affect the trial and the public response?

We're back with ABC's chief national correspondent, Matt Gutman, who's been following the Karen Reid case throughout. Matt, we heard the arguments in this case. There have been lots of twists and turns, even so far as having the lead police investigator suspended and then later fired. How did all this then affect the trial and the public response?

To which we should say, Matt, his turtle boy, his name is Aiden Kearney. He's facing witness intimidation charges related to this case now, to which he's pleaded not guilty. Right. But go on.

To which we should say, Matt, his turtle boy, his name is Aiden Kearney. He's facing witness intimidation charges related to this case now, to which he's pleaded not guilty. Right. But go on.

Why is that? Did you get a sense of what the jury found lacking on either side?

Why is that? Did you get a sense of what the jury found lacking on either side?

Yeah, Matt, so catch us up on this new trial. So what has happened so far, and what will be different about it, I suppose?

Yeah, Matt, so catch us up on this new trial. So what has happened so far, and what will be different about it, I suppose?

Sometimes you're not allowed to be like, it wasn't me, it was this other person. But here, that's a legitimate defense, perhaps, in this case.

Sometimes you're not allowed to be like, it wasn't me, it was this other person. But here, that's a legitimate defense, perhaps, in this case.

Wait, what? She was an alternate juror on the case and now she's part of the defense team?