Brad Milkey

Well, and speaking of this moment, this was also the beginning of cameras in courtrooms, as we now know them. And there was footage from this trial that ABC has. And in fact, here's a clip of Lyle Menendez on the stand talking about what, again, at this moment was sort of earth shattering for us to hear. So let's listen to that.

Well, and speaking of this moment, this was also the beginning of cameras in courtrooms, as we now know them. And there was footage from this trial that ABC has. And in fact, here's a clip of Lyle Menendez on the stand talking about what, again, at this moment was sort of earth shattering for us to hear. So let's listen to that.

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What was the reaction to that, Matt?

What was the reaction to that, Matt?

You said imperfect self-defense. What does that mean? Because this isn't a question of whether or not they killed their parents, right? Like at this point, they have admitted, yes, we committed this very grotesque act, but they're saying it's not murder because it was self-defense. What is the argument they're making here?

You said imperfect self-defense. What does that mean? Because this isn't a question of whether or not they killed their parents, right? Like at this point, they have admitted, yes, we committed this very grotesque act, but they're saying it's not murder because it was self-defense. What is the argument they're making here?

Well, and then Matt, like that's about as final of an end as you can have in this legal system. But then after spending decades behind bars, there were these incredible new developments starting in 2023. The brothers filed a petition for review of new evidence that they say wasn't presented at their original trial. This is now a petition to get a new trial.

Well, and then Matt, like that's about as final of an end as you can have in this legal system. But then after spending decades behind bars, there were these incredible new developments starting in 2023. The brothers filed a petition for review of new evidence that they say wasn't presented at their original trial. This is now a petition to get a new trial.

How did that work and what was the new evidence? Well,

How did that work and what was the new evidence? Well,

Which is also important because the family had denied that abuse was happening, but here if you've got evidence that it might have been happening not just with the boys but other people as well, that all of a sudden becomes more plausible, I presume.

Which is also important because the family had denied that abuse was happening, but here if you've got evidence that it might have been happening not just with the boys but other people as well, that all of a sudden becomes more plausible, I presume.

Well, and that's the thing that is like this groundswell also seems to involve, it's a whole new generation of people who are like, yes, childhood sexual trauma is real, is more common than we might've thought and has a greater effect than, than we might've thought on people. So I guess I'm wondering how all that sort of plays into the DA's decision.

Well, and that's the thing that is like this groundswell also seems to involve, it's a whole new generation of people who are like, yes, childhood sexual trauma is real, is more common than we might've thought and has a greater effect than, than we might've thought on people. So I guess I'm wondering how all that sort of plays into the DA's decision.

Wait, okay, so you said it depends on which DA, because that DA that you're talking about, he then loses that election, right? A new DA comes in. What's his opinion on it then?

Wait, okay, so you said it depends on which DA, because that DA that you're talking about, he then loses that election, right? A new DA comes in. What's his opinion on it then?

So then Hockman is kind of signaling how he feels about this case. He's kept his cards close to his vest, but like now he's saying, I don't buy it. The family says, please, please reconsider. Hockman declined to comment on the letter. We're going to take a quick break right here. And when we come back, we're going to hear more about the DA's ruling.

So then Hockman is kind of signaling how he feels about this case. He's kept his cards close to his vest, but like now he's saying, I don't buy it. The family says, please, please reconsider. Hockman declined to comment on the letter. We're going to take a quick break right here. And when we come back, we're going to hear more about the DA's ruling.