Brad Milkey

That's what's so confusing, Kena. It's kind of like you know that there is communication happening and yet it's not like, hey, let's find out what happened. And there's hours where nothing happens. So you're wondering, like, did they go to sleep? Are they just kind of in denial? Is it all of the above? Do we have answers to that, I guess?

That's what's so confusing, Kena. It's kind of like you know that there is communication happening and yet it's not like, hey, let's find out what happened. And there's hours where nothing happens. So you're wondering, like, did they go to sleep? Are they just kind of in denial? Is it all of the above? Do we have answers to that, I guess?

You know, the one name we haven't said so far, Kena, is Brian Koberger, right? He has emerged as the suspect in this case. His lawyers say he's innocent. But that all brings us to kind of another interesting fold here, which is how he was arrested and how the FBI says it found DNA linking him to this. What can you tell us about that?

You know, the one name we haven't said so far, Kena, is Brian Koberger, right? He has emerged as the suspect in this case. His lawyers say he's innocent. But that all brings us to kind of another interesting fold here, which is how he was arrested and how the FBI says it found DNA linking him to this. What can you tell us about that?

Right. And investigative genetic genealogy. This is where you get DNA like from a knife sheath. You load that data onto public genealogy sites and you build out a family tree from there. Right. So what was happening with Koberger at that time?

Right. And investigative genetic genealogy. This is where you get DNA like from a knife sheath. You load that data onto public genealogy sites and you build out a family tree from there. Right. So what was happening with Koberger at that time?

I remember this. He was going home for the holidays, right?

I remember this. He was going home for the holidays, right?

What were his lawyers objecting to?

What were his lawyers objecting to?

Oh, so they're like, hey, it's not cool that, A, you're using genealogy to find out, oh, this links to your dad somehow. And B, that you're doing all these hopscotches with DNA, which, by the way, you got through a trash collection company.

Oh, so they're like, hey, it's not cool that, A, you're using genealogy to find out, oh, this links to your dad somehow. And B, that you're doing all these hopscotches with DNA, which, by the way, you got through a trash collection company.

Hey, and when we're talking about Koberger, he's in custody right now. There's the chance that he could face the death penalty. And yet that is one of the other big developments recently, right? Can you walk us through that?

Hey, and when we're talking about Koberger, he's in custody right now. There's the chance that he could face the death penalty. And yet that is one of the other big developments recently, right? Can you walk us through that?

Oh, like his mannerisms might make him seem less sympathetic or seem less caring, but maybe it's related to his disorder.

Oh, like his mannerisms might make him seem less sympathetic or seem less caring, but maybe it's related to his disorder.

Well, and so at the end of the day, Kena, I mean, with this audio that you guys have obtained, I guess, how does this sort of affect your overall view of the case and where it goes next? Because there have been so many twists and turns.

Well, and so at the end of the day, Kena, I mean, with this audio that you guys have obtained, I guess, how does this sort of affect your overall view of the case and where it goes next? Because there have been so many twists and turns.

And actually, we got a reply filing this week on that purchase. The defense is arguing that the Amazon account was used by the whole Koberger family, meaning the knife could have been purchased, yes, but not necessarily, they say, by Brian Koberger.

And actually, we got a reply filing this week on that purchase. The defense is arguing that the Amazon account was used by the whole Koberger family, meaning the knife could have been purchased, yes, but not necessarily, they say, by Brian Koberger.